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Post by newey on Oct 9, 2009 23:10:47 GMT -5
A fine Tone Stone, like, say, granite? Zerberus Guitars showed this at the 2009 MusicMesse. And we all thought oak would be heavy! ;D
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Oct 10, 2009 0:21:35 GMT -5
Mildly related, solidrockproducts.com/I thought of it right away when I saw the topic. Anybody ever buy one of these? If so, does it sound like it costs an arm and a leg?
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Post by sumgai on Oct 10, 2009 2:11:43 GMT -5
No need to worry about belt buckle rash with that one! ;D
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Post by gumbo on Oct 10, 2009 5:50:53 GMT -5
I'd be more worried about what it would do to my belt buckle...
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Oct 10, 2009 10:46:20 GMT -5
talk about dulling a router bit....
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Post by newey on Oct 10, 2009 11:55:34 GMT -5
Here's a guy playing an 8-string stone guitar:
He seems to get lots of sustain out of it.
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Post by sumgai on Oct 10, 2009 12:36:06 GMT -5
I dunno about you, newey, but whenever I hear any kind of distortion, like in the video above, then I have to wonder: how much sustain is natural, and how much is a by-product of the distortion device?
IOW, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, at least not for me, if there's any kind of signal modifier in the signal path. In fact, we're debating the value of one kind of wood over another, with sustain being one of the chief desirable characteristics. Fortunately, sustain is an acoustical property, so it's easy to determine if Guitar A has more sustain than Guitar B, or not, as the case may be. (Assuming the same kind of strings, too.)
But I like the way you're thinking, keep it up! ;D
sumgai
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Post by ashcatlt on Oct 10, 2009 13:26:57 GMT -5
I love the fact that it's got a hole in the headstock. Could this be to keep it from being "head heavy" ?
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Post by pete12345 on Oct 10, 2009 14:59:00 GMT -5
Just goes to show you can build a guitar from just about anything
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Post by newey on Oct 10, 2009 20:07:07 GMT -5
Agreed. That guy has several diffferent clips up on YouTube. In one, he just lets it sustain- and you can tell that it's not all strictly acoustic sustain. In some of the clips, one can see a large Orange half-stack in the background, which is presumably what he's playing through. The Zerberus one above looks suspiciously like it was made out of a chunk of granite countertop. If one were to drop by a local granite countertop maker, one could probably buy a scrap piece big enough for a guitar body. And, if you slipped the guy $50 and gave him a template, you might even get him to cut it for you. Hmmmm . . . The guy in the video, that one looks like it was made out of that "cultured marble" stuff they use for bathroom vanity tops. I don't have a clue how you would work a piece of that, but presumable there's some tooling that facilitates that.
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Post by sydsbluesky on Oct 10, 2009 23:08:38 GMT -5
Top one looks like ubatuba, and the one in the video is actually gneiss (pronounced - nice,) which is the metamorphic rock version of granite, from what I can tell.
Anyway, I'm willing to bet they don't sound a good as wood... just doesn't seem right!
I wonder if they have feedback issues.
EDIT: had to move a comma.
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Post by sydsbluesky on Oct 10, 2009 23:36:22 GMT -5
Funny thought. Put on your Kurt Vonnegut beyond-the-forseeable-future-caps for a moment and ponder this scenario. Ten thousand years from now (let's get cute and call this the "stone age") the tonewood debate will be rushed out the back door, and the big topic will be tonestone. Next it comes down to different types of stone. Some guys will like hard stone, like granite, while others will prefer a softer stone, such as marble. Some guys will want that natural, unfinished black, combined with the crisp highs and scooped mids of basalt. Custom shops will open in which guitars can be designed, poured and molded into high quality, single piece custom instruments. Future versions of Pete Townsend will be bashing holes in the floor wherever he goes. In the future version of Woodstock one of those Future Pete's will even serve jail time for assault with a deadly weapon, after a member of the audience jumps on stage and has to be stuck. The Future Version of "The Polease" will be shocked and shamed. And we all thought Jim Morrison had it hard....*waits* During the next set, the future version (henceforth to be known as F.V.) of Jimi Hendrix will set his stone guitar on fire... and then pick it up and use it to finish his set. The F.V of GWAR will be using guitars that actually ARE weapons, instead of guitars that just look like weapons, to go about the maiming and mauling of mock-ups of the F.V. of George Bush, and whatever the heck that t-rex thing is. There will be a F.V. of guitarnuts dedicated to refinishing, rewiring, repairing, rebuilding and whatever else we do here now. The F.V. of one of our members will develop a technique in which one uses a kiln to alter the stone body of ones guitar to change it's bass response. The F.V. of Newey will still build bass stoned guitars, and will probably still combine guitar and bass pickups in them... The F.V. of me will still think that he should have just left it pink.
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Post by lunaalta on Oct 11, 2009 9:27:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Rock on....
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 12, 2009 11:32:11 GMT -5
And the Chinese knock-offs are probably made of molded concrete...
My guess is the hole on the headstock of for attaching the winch...
I see a whole new line of straps incorporating lumbar supports...
All in all, I figure it's just the evolution of things...marketing trumps function...
I always pondered taking a wood body and drilling something akin to a starburst pattern starting on the outside with all the holes converging on the center of the body. Then take brass tubes and press them into the holes. Each rod would have a brass cap with a small piezo sensor at the end.
What would it sound like? Who cares...the gimmick would sell enough to pay off the tooling and allow me to get out of town before someone got struck by lightening...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by newey on Oct 12, 2009 12:22:22 GMT -5
Now there's an idea. Heck, they make boats out of the stuff so why not?
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Post by Teleblooz on Oct 26, 2009 18:12:49 GMT -5
...and there will be a huge controversy over "relicing".
Seriously though, wouldn't something like that weigh a ton? I have enough trouble wrestling a Telecaster around for 4 hours at a stretch.
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Post by newey on Oct 26, 2009 20:01:25 GMT -5
You would think, unless the stone was "chambered". We call these "caves".
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Post by Teleblooz on Oct 27, 2009 11:59:10 GMT -5
You would think, unless the stone was "chambered". We call these "caves". ;D ;D
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Post by gitpiddler on Oct 27, 2009 21:28:45 GMT -5
Point the brass tubes toward the bridge or neck, and /or tune the lengths, converging on that rectangle in between. An excellent idea, cyn1, as usual. Any switching/blending in mind?
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Post by newey on Oct 27, 2009 22:24:35 GMT -5
Earlier Cyn mentioned concrete, and I mused on that idea. There is, truly, "no new thing under the sun". It's been done. Concrete Guitar by Parker SloanNote the Lace Alumitone HB, centrally mounted. Sort of retro-istic modern (or sumthin'). Now, how in the name of Leo am I going to convince my wife that I need a shotcrete gun?
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Oct 28, 2009 8:17:55 GMT -5
I love how you point out the Alumitone....
I believe that their original pitch for that particular pickup was that it was "light-weight", and could help take stress off your back.
Parker, I believe that the weight of your pickup is the LEAST of your worries.
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Post by FireBall on Nov 25, 2009 12:31:11 GMT -5
I want a guitar made out of Plexiglas filled with water and goldfish.. or maybe one filled with colored wax so I can get a lava lamp effect..
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Post by D2o on Nov 25, 2009 12:51:00 GMT -5
I want a guitar made out of Plexiglas filled with water and goldfish.. or maybe one filled with colored wax so I can get a lava lamp effect.. You been talking with kyle or something? How about something like this one?
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