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Post by megi on Jan 30, 2012 19:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by megi on Jan 30, 2012 19:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by megi on Jan 30, 2012 19:17:20 GMT -5
And the last few: The Wilkinson EZ lok tuners do give a staggered post height effect you can see in that last shot, which allows the avoidance of string trees - however, I may fit one for the top 2 strings anyway as it might improve the tone on the open strings a little. I'll have to live with the guitar for a while before making a decision though. Hope you like the guitar though folks, cheers!
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Post by 4real on Jan 31, 2012 1:54:08 GMT -5
Looks beautiful, really like the body grain and tortoiseshell pick-guard and cream pups and...you get the idea, my kind of strat. The gold I usually avoid but perfect on this axe...nice choices!
I never got on with those Wilkinson things, in fact took them straight off for 'real' locking tuners, generally schallers.
I've often found that you need a string tree, not always but roller trees are cheap on eBay for instance and can help if there is a 'problem' with pressure on a nut or vibrations behind the nut that interferes things.
Even with my locking staggered tuners, my last guitar needed one just to be sure I didn't pop the high e out of the nut...but you are right to get used to playing the guitar and what it needs.
Well done...+1
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Post by megi on Jan 31, 2012 6:00:18 GMT -5
Cheers 4real - nice to know my scheme with the ash, tortoise pickguard, cream stuff etc. works for other people too, I am pleased with it myself I have to say. Know what you're saying about the gold - it can look ostentatious and tacky on a lot of guitars, I think it works here though to add a bit of warmth to the overall look.
I'll have to think about the string tree - I'm still not sure if it needs one, but it might just firm-up the tone of the open strings a little. That headstock really needs something though - I'm going to order a decal with my initials and a name for the guitar. The Wilkinson tuners at the moment I'm just using like ordinary ones, in which case they seem to work fine, and you have a choice of 2 heights at which to anchor the string which is useful for the strat. I only use the trem for a bit of shimmer and shading, so I don't really have any tuning issues anyway. I could always upgrade them at a later date if needed though.
Cheers for the nice words about my new pride and joy though, much appreciated!
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Post by reTrEaD on Jan 31, 2012 9:58:05 GMT -5
That headstock really needs something though - I disagree. There's nothing wrong with adding your initials and a name. But I think it looks fine with a plain, clean headstock.
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 31, 2012 11:29:18 GMT -5
That headstock really needs something though - I disagree. There's nothing wrong with adding your initials and a name. But I think it looks fine with a plain, clean headstock. I'm with ReTread on this one. Applying a waterslide or varnish applied decal, clear coating, sanding, clearcoating and sanding...etc...to flush the decal on the headstock is a bit of work. Nothing wrong with a clean headstock. Now, if you just can't live with a barren headstock, I'd submit that an engraved plaque and two small screws would look classy, it will match the gold hardware and save you the agony of all the finishing work a decal presents. The only problem that presents is figuring out something clever or appropriate to have engraved on the plaque. Just my two cents. Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by megi on Jan 31, 2012 14:57:12 GMT -5
Cheers guys, I appreciate your thoughts and what you are saying with regard to headstock decals and all that stuff, maybe the clean headstock is not so bad after all! Ah well... I guess I may "sleep on it" and wait a while before making a decision on that issue as well as for the string tree question.
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Post by reTrEaD on Jan 31, 2012 16:08:25 GMT -5
Sleep on it? Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Maybe make some mock-ups on paper of different initial and name layouts or graphics or geometric designs. If you find something that really speaks to you, then go for it. But clean looks plenty sweet to me.
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Post by 4real on Jan 31, 2012 17:59:52 GMT -5
Here's a pic of a single roller tree on my new guitar, you can see it adds little if any pressure to the strings on the staggered nut and is only there really for the insurance that the high e would not pop out. You can see the stagger on the locking tuners here, though I went a little cheap on that brand and regret it. This kind of locking tuner is not just great for the 'stagger' but the strings lock in with very few winds if any and so easy to take off and on if required. Wilkinson's two hole thing really is not 'locking' but perhaps makes it easier to get some stager and tie the strings in such a way as to lessen 'slip' but you don't really need two holes to get that effect. Still, it only matters that things work as you say. ... On my guitar I have the word 'legend' on the neck and considered trying to sand off and decal that, let us know the process if you do decide to do that, I'd be interested. However, I really like the clean plain look there and it suits the guitar and would not change it. It is a nice looking neck too...where did that come from? ... Anyway, a very nice looking guitar project and should age well too!
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Post by megi on Jan 31, 2012 19:42:58 GMT -5
Cheers RT, that's an interesting pic - I think on my strat a string tree would make a slightly bigger difference to the angle over the nut, at least for the high E string - at the moment I think it's at about the lowest angle I could get away with. But I still might leave it as it is, it does seem OK. If I go for a decal, it will be on the understated side, but you guys are making me have second thoughts about it. The neck came from www.axesrus.com/axecart.htm which is a UK supplier of guitar parts - I used them for quite a few of the other bits on the guitar. I guess they have the necks made to their specs. - probably in somewhere like Korea, but it does seem very nice quality to me. I did have to give the frets a level and recrown/polish though to get it how I wanted it.
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Post by thetragichero on Jan 31, 2012 20:38:34 GMT -5
what about those tusq string trees, that way you can sand/file off the bottom until it's the right height? i have those on a couple of my guitars
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Post by reTrEaD on Jan 31, 2012 23:57:32 GMT -5
Cheers RT, that's an interesting pic - That was posted by 4real (Pete?) But cheers anyway.
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Post by megi on Feb 1, 2012 5:48:18 GMT -5
Cheers RT, that's an interesting pic - That was posted by 4real (Pete?) But cheers anyway. Oops, apologies to both 4real and retread - I was tired, should be more careful when posting in the early hours! No disrespect intended chaps.
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Post by megi on Feb 1, 2012 5:50:36 GMT -5
what about those tusq string trees, that way you can sand/file off the bottom until it's the right height? i have those on a couple of my guitars Thanks for that thought, I know the ones you mean - I have them on an Ibanez and agree they are excellent - absolutely this might be the choice if I decide to go for a string tree.
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Post by 4real on Feb 1, 2012 18:56:30 GMT -5
I like rollers cause...I like the little wheels and mechanical look I guess... ;D They also can bring the string down to a straighter lead into the tuner (it is not exiting the staggered tuners at so much of an angle). On the strat above, I was getting some sympathetic vibration behind the nut that affected the tone of the open strings and these heavier trees seemed to add mass to the headstock and so 'sustin' though there is no real comparison. I prefer none so it it works don't change it... My tele has an LSR on it that has tiny pads behind the rollers to stop vibrations behind the nut and needs no trees. To test if that is a problem on your guitar, wrap a sock or something about the strings to dampen them and see if you can tell a difference. String trees dampen those longer treble strings as well as increasing pressure on the nut. I only added one to my new guitar because occasionally the high E would pop out of the nut slot and the tree prevents this possibility. Roller trees like this can have the bottom filled for more pressure or placed in a location that provides the pressure desired, but they are not as adjustable...there is little if any pressure on my new one, but quite a bit on the higher strings of my strat there. Notice how much lower the strats head is compared to the tele...all guitars tend to be a little different.
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 1, 2012 19:09:06 GMT -5
A lot of people may take 4Real's approach as overkill. I think his suggestions are some of the best advice you could get here.
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The stepped Schaller locking tuners, LSR nut and string roller trees as needed are an excellent approach to maintaining tuning stability, but require a dedicated and involved setup most amateurs, and most shops for that matter, are willing to invest. It's also more money then most want to invest, but the results are well worth the effort.
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OK, I feel better now.
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by 4real on Feb 1, 2012 20:41:43 GMT -5
LOL well, yes... Still, Leo put trees on there fro a reason...sympathetic vibrations on the elongated high strings, tension on the nut due to the shallow neck/head design and pulling straighter from the tuner...not cause they 'looked good'... You can do without them and many times you dont need them, you can experiment with these aspects to see if is effecting the guitar. Dampen the sympathetic vibrations, no problem, do nothing. Push down behind the nut, is there an improvement = do nothing. Is the tuning always stable with the vibrato and string bending...if so, do nothing. ... I didn't want to put a string tree on, but it seemed necessary on my guitar and is better for it. ... The LSR is a commitment, there is no going back...you need to route off a bit of the fret board and move the nut forward. There are benefits, but it will only fit certain necks, even fitting it to my squier there was touch and go, squiers are a slightly narrower nut width. A lot of guitars they won't fit at all. ... My 'overkill' perspective is that no matter how great a 'tone' one might get or how good a guitar might be, if it does not play in tune and stay in tune, it will never be a good guitar, let alone a great one. Graph tech things are good, I sued one on my LP... An LSR would not fit nor be suitable, the 'overkill' string rollers to pull the strings over the nut to locking tuners as it is a trem guitar. I used it quite a bit before going this far but it really made a lot of difference to tuning stability with a trem on this kind of headstock. ... I also think a two point trem is an improvement on the original bridge, but one does not need to go for really expensive stuff, on my strat I used the original squier two point bridge and saddles...if it ain't broke, don't change a thing!
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Post by megi on Feb 2, 2012 7:19:57 GMT -5
Thanks 4R, I agree with cynical1 that your advice is well made, and it's nice to see such well thought out mods - the job on that trem-equipped Les Paul is superb too. I think I will try the "sock behind the nut" test to help assess things with my strat.
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