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Post by ChrisK on May 16, 2009 23:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by newey on May 17, 2009 10:10:21 GMT -5
Yes, I find this interesting. It has a tiny PCB, which apparently just serves to make the connections easier since the switches are so tiny.
And, since we know what the end result is, one could easily decipher the switching logic once the terminations on the board are known. This could open up other possible uses for this pickup ring. One could utilize one of those HB-sized P-90s with the ring to switch in/out a pair of capacitors a la ChrisK's "Free Woman Tone", for example.
Neat, tidy and unobtrusive, too, for those who don't want to add extra switch holes.
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Post by cynical1 on May 17, 2009 14:46:46 GMT -5
Anyone know when these will be unleashed on the general public?
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Post by wolf on May 17, 2009 15:27:41 GMT -5
I'm wondering since it has a circuit board, will it need batteries? Yes I know we could all arrange something like that with 2 SPDT switches (without batteries).
However those switches must be minuscule so perhaps they would work on a logic pulse as opposed to a mechanical switching arrangement.
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Post by ChrisK on May 17, 2009 20:32:23 GMT -5
Or, how unholy the price might be. Oh, I'm fairly sure that they're mechanical, but there's a good chance that they work on a finger (nail)'s pulse......  |
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Post by sumgai on May 17, 2009 23:34:45 GMT -5
wolf, No, it's all strictly mechanical. The board is present to act as an extender for the connections on the switches. Let's face it, most hacks can't solder for a hill of beans, so they'd blow the whole shootin' match to smithereens, if they had to maneuver a pencil iron in the cramped confines of that pickup ring. All around a good idea on Duncan's part. Of course, I'm waiting on them bringing out just what you said, a pair of momentary contact push-button switches that can be wired to almost anything. Think of the players who want to stealth-ize their GK pickup installations.  sumgai |
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Post by ChrisK on May 19, 2009 17:36:49 GMT -5
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Post by newey on May 19, 2009 19:23:53 GMT -5
Looks like either way you have to buy a set of 2. What if you just want one?
If anyone is planning to use one on a neck pup, we can team up and I'll take the bridge one.
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Post by ChrisK on May 19, 2009 19:32:59 GMT -5
Oh, which one is that?  ;D ;D Semi-obviously (and fully hopefully), the curved set may have bridge (higher height) and neck (lower height) ones. The flat ones may be identical (flat usually is). I wonder about two things; one, will the bunched up/looped long pickup wires fit under the pickup (I ain't gonna cut them short just yet), and two, one must consider insulating against shorting on the PCB surface. Since all of my builds and most of my guitars under threat of modification are flat-topped, I think that I'll get a set of them along with the Tapco Link.FireWire 4x6 Audio Interface that I'm threatening to get since the aggregate shipping will be free. |
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Post by wolf on May 20, 2009 1:51:29 GMT -5
and if anyone was wondering how it works, I think this might be it:  I drew toggle switches instead of rocker switches but the switching would be the same. (The diagram uses Seymour Duncan wire colors.) |
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Post by newey on May 20, 2009 10:15:21 GMT -5
Wolf-
That's probably it, but we still need to have a correspondence between the switch lugs as shown in your diagram, and the PCB terminals. I feel confident that whatever info SD supplies with this, it probably just has the instructions for wiring SD HB colors to the PCB pads so as to give series/parallel/each in the binary tree fashion as shown.
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Post by ChrisK on May 20, 2009 18:53:08 GMT -5
Not to worry, I have two sets of two flats coming that shipped today. ( newey ) It's just Binary Tree Switching. Series/parallel/each, nah! It's the age old accommodation of one hanging high and one hanging low, and either is in-circuit or looking for a handshake. |
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Post by newey on May 20, 2009 19:06:26 GMT -5
Yes, one of us will have the guts of that PCB posted here afore long.
I'm still thinking along the lines of tone cap selection uses for this, I'm thinking that these could be done binary tree style so 2 caps could be combined in series, parallel or each individually. The problem would be, how to get a "no cap" sound. Could I give up one of the options in favor of a cap bypass setting?
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Post by ChrisK on May 20, 2009 19:33:55 GMT -5
Ya, you betcha! A 0.047 and a 0.022 would give 0.069, 0.047, 0.022, and 0.015 uF. Uh, er, turn the tone control up to "10". This will work for all four combinations! ;D ;D |
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Post by ChrisK on May 20, 2009 19:44:02 GMT -5
Actually I lied about the rings being shipped. I knew that the rings would come separately from the Tapco box (they told me so).
Unfortunately, MF is sending me double double emails emails for for everything everything shipped shipped.
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Post by newey on May 20, 2009 21:14:52 GMT -5
Let's imagine, for the purposes of this discussion, that no tone control is involved and that the caps are simply switched in/out. Is a bypass setting possible if one gives up, say, the series or parallel settings?
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Post by wolf on May 21, 2009 0:34:31 GMT -5
Needless to say, on the Seymour Duncan message board, they're doing a lot of talking about this. (They started the first topic in January.) Anyway someone used their Photoshop software to get a bigger picture of the Triple Shot and here it is:  The original link said it would have rocker switches but it looks like slide switches to me. Notice the "scooped-out" sections around the switches.) |
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Post by ChrisK on May 21, 2009 11:12:18 GMT -5
tedfixxYep, they're there for the clearance for the fingernail. We get the four possible (sans phasing) combinations of two, two terminal things. In its standard form, if we leave one out, we get; the other, the other, nothing, and nothing (in a binary manner, that is). If we cut the series trace on the ring PCB (not the wiring PCB), we could get one, the other, both in parallel, and nothing. How we connect things to do other things is arbitrary. 
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Post by ChrisK on May 21, 2009 19:09:20 GMT -5
They come in other colors as well. www.wymoreguitars.com/Triple-Shot-Rings_c_102.htmlWell, in cream (maybe). It seems that things are GeFooey in the land of SD Triple Shot.... "I've been tempted to dissect one of the ones I have ( the recalled ones) and find a replacement, ..." "Just talked with SD this afternoon and the word is now mid-June on delivering anything ..... __________________ Wymore Guitars" They must be in that place know as "when good ideas meet reality...." |
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