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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 27, 2007 15:15:40 GMT -5
I've been searching the web for a wiring diagram unsuccessfully. Possibly someone here can help.
I have two 4 conductor wire humbuckers (gibson 496R/neck, dirty fingers/bridge), 2 tones, 2 volumes, and 4 pole 6-way rotary switch.
Thanks, Chuck
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Post by sumgai on Jul 27, 2007 16:44:37 GMT -5
Chuck, Hi, and welcome to the Forums. ;D You've told us what you have, now, would you please tell us what you want to do with that pile of goodies? The number of possibilities is extremely large, so I'd rather not start in with a long list, I'd much prefer to hear what you'd like your guitar to do, or to sound like. sumgai
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 28, 2007 13:05:38 GMT -5
Hi Sumgai, Thanks. I'm not real "picky" (no pun intended) ;D, I try to play Floyd, Zeppelin, blues, shredding metal and sometimes I like some jazzy tone for messing around. It's just a Sears catolog no-name Les Paul copy but it was a gift from my Grandmother about 27 yrs ago. She has since passed away and so I decided to restore it in her memory. I was going to follow the original set up but it came with 3 wire pickups and now I have 4 wire pickups. Hope that's what you needed to know.
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Post by sumgai on Jul 28, 2007 20:15:26 GMT -5
chaz, Uh oh.......... errr.......... hmmmm, how to say this........... ....... Nope, sorry, that didn't do it. What we want to know is, do you want this restoration to look, act, and sound completely stock, as in the way you got it a quarter century ago, or do you want it to perform some new tricks that were unheard of, way back then? For example, most 2 pickup guitars with a single selector switch put the pickups in parallel when selecting both. But many, many prefer to use a series combination, particularly with humbuckers. And what about phase reversal, does that grab your fancy? Then there's coil-splitting (or coil-tapping, your choice of terminology), that's good from some different tones that you may find useful. Blend controls, tone controls, etc...... there's lots to think about. And that's before we consider that cosmetics. Yes, you may want to add anything extra in such a way as to "hide" it from the casual glance (stealth mode). Or you may like "switch rash", I dunno. Here, let's do this...... check out these links, and see if anything strikes your fancy: For a scheme that encompasses everything mentioned so far: JH's Jimmy PageAnd for something a little different, here's a case of more than enough switches to make your fingers break out in a sweat: The Togglecaster(scroll down for the picture.) Now that I've introduced you to The Dark Side ®, do you still wanna go absolutely stock? ;D sumgai
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 29, 2007 8:54:36 GMT -5
no. yes yes yes and yes yes no I'm really not looking for anything specific, I don't know what to tell you other than what I have. Which ever way you think would be best for what I like to play is good with me. You would know better than I. I'm a carpenter.
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Post by sumgai on Jul 29, 2007 11:31:50 GMT -5
Chuck, I see that you are a man of few words! I think it's time to get JohnH in here, he's the author of the first link I posted above, and he's quite gentle in explaining things for newcomers. What you've expressed so far is right up his alley. That's certainly debatable. You and I play different kinds of music, and have a different outlook on what it takes to make that music. In such cases, I always defer to John or UnklMickey, but they're not the only ones who can help you. I'm sure others will also chime in with helpful suggestions. Oh, a wood butcher, eh? That otta get Runewalker's attention, I'm sure he'll pop in for a bit when he sees that remark. ;D HTH sumgai p.s. Recommendation of above members is due only to their long-known familiarity with, and passion for, your type of guitar. Other members here are no less capable, have no fear of that. And I defer to several others, at the right time and for the right reasons.
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 29, 2007 13:10:53 GMT -5
Wow! Lots of words but no resolutions . Yes I'm more of an action man, a hands on kinda guy hence;carpentry, and I'd like to get my hands on playing the guitar asap. I am simply looking for a wiring diagram that will be compatible with my equipment.
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Post by JohnH on Jul 29, 2007 22:44:38 GMT -5
I can’t think of an existing diagram that would suit your request to use just those parts. It takes considerable work to come up with and check a new design.
I have some more questions however. Do you also have the three position toggle? Or is that to be replaced by the rotary? Also, the top thickness of LP’s usually means that pots and switches with longer than normal shafts are required. Do the parts that you have come with long enough shafts to allow a nut on the top surface? Are these new controls, or the original ones?
Of the many different sound combinations available on an HH guitar, IMO, the most useful first addition is a coil cut on each pup, to give you Telecaster-like single coil tones, as a contrast to the full humbuckers. This feature can be added very simply.
I would not usually think of having just that rotary switch with 2V’s and 2T’s, because it gives just three extra sounds beyond having the normal 3-way toggle, and there are easier ways to get more variations using one or more push-pull switches or extra toggles. ‘Jimmy Page’ style designs (of which mine, as noted by Sumgai, is just one variant) work very well in an LP. I’m sure your Grandma would have liked them, assuming she was also into Led Zeppelin.
cheers
John
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 30, 2007 8:10:49 GMT -5
Yes, the pots were long shaft but I replaced them all with short shaft. I just drilled some counter sink holes on the surface and the nuts and washers fit in nicley. I wasn't thinking of adding to it (ie; toggle), but just replacing what was there with newer parts. Although, after researching options I realise how much more I could obtain with a 3 way toggle. Plus, it's difficult enough to find out how to wire up what I have let alone adding a toggle. After looking at it last night I was able to figure out the difference between 3 wire and 4 wire pickups. I temporarily wired it original and realised the limitations. It's not my main playing guitar so I'm willing to accept those limitations. I would just like something like this: 1. Neck and bridge Parallel 2. Neck 3. Bridge 4. Neck and bridge Phase out 5. Neck and bridge outer coil 6. Neck and bridge Inner coil Can I do that? If I spent enuff time learning and reading I can figure it out myself but I don't have that kinda time. I'm a self employeed General Contractor/carpenter. Anyone here that has there own business can vouch for me.
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 30, 2007 22:19:35 GMT -5
Nevermind. It blew up. ;D j/k I did it. Thanks anyway.
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Post by JohnH on Jul 31, 2007 15:41:00 GMT -5
Oh dear! What blew up?
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Post by chaz1966 on Jul 31, 2007 20:49:24 GMT -5
J/k = just kidding. ;D ;D I found a couple of wiring diagrams for a 6 way rotary switch and I wired it. It works great.
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Post by sumgai on Aug 1, 2007 4:14:18 GMT -5
Chuck, Care to share any of those diagrams with us? Pretty please?! sumgai
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Post by chaz1966 on Aug 1, 2007 15:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by sumgai on Aug 1, 2007 16:21:08 GMT -5
Chuck,
Holy Smokes! That's gonna take some time to go through and decipher it all. Thanks!
+1 for the Gold Mine of the Day! ;D
sumgai
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Post by chaz1966 on Aug 3, 2007 2:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by JohnH on Aug 3, 2007 8:06:26 GMT -5
I think that second diagram would be a good choice for a 2-wire / 4-wire pair of pups
John
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Post by chaz1966 on Aug 3, 2007 14:17:12 GMT -5
The only thing about that is that the second diagram is for a lever switch not a rotary. Is it the same concept? and if so, whats top and whats bottom? I'm confused about the orientation.
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Post by JohnH on Aug 3, 2007 14:36:36 GMT -5
A lever switch like that is much like a rotary, but mounted sideways. Electically it's equivalent. On the second GE diagram, the poles are the four end lugs, labelled 'out', and are equivalent to the inner lugs on a normal rotary. The 'throw' connections are the ones marked 1 to 5, equivalent to a rotary outer lugs.
cheers
John
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Post by chaz1966 on Aug 3, 2007 14:41:53 GMT -5
Thanks John! ;D I'll give it a go.
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 4, 2007 17:30:45 GMT -5
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Post by chaz1966 on Aug 4, 2007 19:05:44 GMT -5
A lever switch like that is much like a rotary, but mounted sideways. Electically it's equivalent. On the second GE diagram, the poles are the four end lugs, labelled 'out', and are equivalent to the inner lugs on a normal rotary. The 'throw' connections are the ones marked 1 to 5, equivalent to a rotary outer lugs. cheers John Thanks again John. I did it. Sounds good. I took my sons "first act" Guitar Put a couple of seymour duncan humbuckers and a 5-way rotary and cut out a new pickguard. It looks and sounds great. I just have to sand off the "first act" name. ;D ;D
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