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Post by ChrisK on Jan 17, 2008 20:10:19 GMT -5
Since there are three on a standard Tele, what additional ones (up to three) would you like in a (re)wiring scheme?
These would be realized thru one or two push pull pots or toggle switches.
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Post by RJB on Jan 17, 2008 22:12:28 GMT -5
I have a Tele w/ the 4way switch, so I have the in-series mod already. I don't find it all that useful myself. I just find it a slightly louder, slightly muddier parallel. The 1/2 out of phase intrigues me though.
I've also considered a 2/3 strat, middle and bridge only. I really like the middle setting on my nashvill. Now a phase/series switch there would be interesting. Maybe a 5way?
Ron
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Post by jkemmery on Jan 17, 2008 22:21:17 GMT -5
What exactly is "1/2 out of phase"?
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 18, 2008 0:15:59 GMT -5
1/2 out of phase is an older way of denoting an anti-parallel (reversed electrical phase) connection between two pickups with some "response tuning" to realize a better combination. The Jerry Donahue Tele uses this. The main problem with out of phase is that the common frequencies cancel, with the remaining differences coming thru (the harmonics). Series OOP is good since there is enough amplitude of the differences to be tonally interesting. It results in a thin, hollow, almost "reedy" sound, but the "meta-pickup" that is created has a more darker and middy'er (inductances in series) sound. Parallel OOP is not since there isn't enough amplitude of the differences to be tonally interesting. It results in a thin, hollow, really "reedy" bright, but quite weak sound. The 1/2 OOP is realized by connecting the OOP pickup to the other one thru a series capacitor in the range of 0.01 to 0.047 uF. Essentially this gives a lower impedance path for the higher frequencies (and certainly the harmonics) while presenting a higher impedance for the lower frequencies, resulting in less cancellation and a stronger while still bright (inductances in parallel) sound. If you look at the wiring for the Fender Baja Tele, the S-1 switch couples this cap in when in parallel OOP. Ron, I did the original ToggleCaster in a MIM Power Nash Tele, where I could reverse the phase of either/both the middle and neck pickups, in conjunction with many of the possible series, parallel, and series/parallel combinations. The fact that the Nash has three fairly dissimilar pickups (TexMex bridge, TexMex Strat middle, and a TexMex covered Tele neck) results in some pretty interesting sounds. This used two three position ON-ON-ON mini-toggles, one for the bridge and one for the neck (series/off/parallel), one 3PDT for the middle (off/on), one DPDT for drive structure (you have to study the design to see this), and two DPDTs for the middle and neck phasing. These, in conjunction with a three way mini-toggle for piezo/both/magnetic and another for piezo/magnetic phasing made for some significant flexibility. This is the ToggleCaster design, and this is where it lived (I've since relegated it to being used as a pickup test bed.
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Post by JohnH on Jan 18, 2008 0:27:00 GMT -5
Assuming we are talking of just two Sc pups:
My 'other' vote, is for series, in phase, with neck bypassed by a cap. That is my favorite 'guitar-geek' sound on my Strat since it has the cutting brightness of a bridge single and the weight of a hefty humbucker.
Next choices would be full series in phase, and series Oop (possibly slightly unbalanced by part bypass on one pup - would need to listen to it and choose for a particular guitar)
I have a sketched scheme for this, using toggles for series/parallel and phase reverse, and using the Red Rhodes principle for tone control to get the cap bypass to work, in series mode. Just need a Tele to try it on, and my bandmate has one but he wont let me do it....... so unfair.
John
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 18, 2008 20:07:51 GMT -5
My approach to this design (which actually uses two DPDT switches) is to have one switch do the phase reversal on the neck (the ground lead on a Tele is the bridge ground lead as well, and don't ferget to isolate the Tele cover from its two leads) with three output leads, the two normal ones and the cap in series one. The second switch does the series/parallel as an override, independent of the three-way lever realizing a true dual (or at least 1 1/2) sound guitar. Well, except for that phase thing. I've also thought about doing this with a 4PDT ON-ON-ON (DP3T Center ON) along with a push pull pots for parallel and having the selection between series, series OOP, and parallel (with its own phase and 1/2 OOP). Hmmm, that leaves a push pull pot free fer something else................... After all, there's all that dang room between the two Tele pots. BTW, I've got a co-worker heading to Oz for a month in Feb. He's going to spend his time "out front" (along the coasts). I'm doing as much as I can to scare him.............. ;D
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Post by gumbo on Jan 19, 2008 7:01:56 GMT -5
Chris, If he's going to get as far as the south of Oz, get him to pm me...... Cheers Gumbo in Adelaide...
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 20, 2008 18:43:54 GMT -5
Ooooh,
He said that he was going to Sidney, Melbourne, and I do believe Adelaide.
Hmmm, and he used to repair Fender tube amps in his youth (met Leo on occasion).
Or so he sez.
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Post by gumbo on Jan 22, 2008 6:28:16 GMT -5
Await a call, if appropriate...
...tell him not to bother packing the snow shoes.... ;D
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Post by newey on Jan 22, 2008 21:46:56 GMT -5
I'm sure Adelaide is nice this time of year. Meanwhile, my workbench (and soldering stand) are in the garage which measures about 11 degrees (Farenheit, i.e., it's colder than a ... .) . So all actual guitar mods have ground to a halt awaiting more temperate temps. Which leaves me time to muse on what 3 mods I'd like on my Tele (I have 2 but one's set up as an Esquire style single pup so not technically a tele). First, all the mods would need to be realized with push/pull pot(s) and perhaps swapping the std 3-position tele switch for a 5-position switch so as to keep the stock look as much as possible. I'd want the 5 way to give B,N,B+N,B*N,B+N w/ cap bleed, and the push/pull could do OOP. My Strat job with the JohnH cap bleed option is still under construction (See above re: garage temp . . . ) so I haven't tried that yet but it sounds solid as he describes it. So I put that one in as an option.
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 23, 2008 0:10:24 GMT -5
Well, remember, I'm looking to make these mods to a standard Tele. To me, this means with the three-way lever switch. While I wouldn't want to attempt to ascertain or even publicly state that a Tele player can't handle more than three lever positions, I have heard such from some claimed Tele (and even Strat) operators.
There is some merit to this in general in that the three-way IS easier to "park in a hurry".
This is also why I'm in favor of series as an override, with it selectable with a switch regardless of the position of the lever switch. The "two guitars in one" easy selection.
Regarding
let me mention a little town named Fox, aboot a bushel of miles north of Fairbanks (AK), where 11F was a balmy day. I spent a few formative years where one learned what cold and quiet really were.
Before then it was southern Arizona, and after that it was southern Texas.
I haven't been really cold or hot since.
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Post by newey on Jan 23, 2008 6:34:41 GMT -5
Chris-
Point taken on the std Tele switch. I don't play out anymore so I tend not to think about "switching on the fly" issues too much. So, assume a std tele switch, plus a push/pull for series/parallel override, could a second push/pull be used for the phase option? Or would this give 2 potential "dead" positions if the 3-way is set to either N or B alone and the push/pull set to OOP?
As to cold, don't get me wrong, I'm an avid skier so cold is no problem in general. I'm the guy running out barefoot to get the morning paper in 2 feet of snow. But for soldering, etc, I need a steady (read: "warm") hand. The cold also puts a crimp in any refinishing projects.
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 27, 2008 23:29:37 GMT -5
Yep. Nope. I tend to avoid contact sports....................... I actually started this survey since I'd designed the "Baja my Tele" mod but thought that I'd get some VOC (voice of the customer) in a DFSS kind of way (if you know what I'm referring to, God bless your tortured soul too).
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Post by newey on Jan 28, 2008 6:24:25 GMT -5
Chris-
That would be an interesting setup, and, you say, doable. And I was going to leave my Tele totally stock but now you've got me thinking . . .
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