home recording

[rockwillreign]

add a folder/board or whatever you want to call it about home recording...i.e. software, mixing boards,mics, techniques, etc

[sumgai]

rwr,

This is a two-edged sword. On the one hand, there are a bazillion forums and groups out there, all dealing with guitars in one shape, form, aspect or another. Why do we insist on doing what we do here in the NutzHouse? Because we stay focused on one small segment of guitar modding, the Quieting the Beast article found on John Atchley's original GuitarNuts website (link above).

We branch out to other related topics, that's true, and that creates an overlap, to be sure. But all of that started after the board was formed around its nucleus, the shielding of a guitar. At that point, the community had been built, and expanded only as needed, not in one giant leap. (Ask the original founder of this board, RandomHero.) So it's the community that drives what we discuss, not necessarily the "obvious need" that relates some topic to guitar modding.

At the risk of taking a pratfall, I'll go out on a limb and say, there're plenty of other sources and resources for learning about and discussing home recording, etc. I don't see that as a necessary adjunct to modding and/or playing a guitar. But, I am willing to bend to the desires of the community......

If enough other members here want to have a separate forum centering on this topic, I'll make it so. Otherwise, there's always The Coffee Shop, where you can certainly flog this as much as you wish.


Other opinions, please?




sumgai

[Runewalker]

This little community (well more like a fraternity since ... where are the women guitar modders?.... ) does have a common focus, albeit the QTB mod may not be the impetus. I personally found JA's site because I was looking for mods. But this one now has a wealth of well thought out sophisticated mods, and a community of folks extending a helpful hand to anyone insane enough to embark on the journey.

So one side-effect that happens with the regulars is that net friendships develop.

I do find it ironic that so much here is about the wires and magnets and strings and wood and switches, etc. When the original impetus was playing the d@mn things. So I sometimes wonder what these folks actually sound like on their tone machines.

The selection of music, the choice of notes and inflections, and of course the tone are all windows into these characters.

So would it be useful to trash the acoustic folder (this is mostly about electronics, and acoustics are for girls anyway, right?) and have some section for members to post links to their recorded efforts? Maybe that would promulgate discussion of the recordings, equipment and settings, and recording techniques that might arise from listeners' inquiries.

Then again there may be little actual playing done by this group, because it gets in the way of quality soldering time.

[sumgai]

runewalker said:

So would it be useful to trash the acoustic folder (this is mostly about electronics, and acoustics are for girls anyway, right?)

No, acoustics are for models in the VG-8/-88/-99. Then, when you need to impress a girl, you whip out one of those acoustic models, and the rest, as they say, will be history. ;D

runewalker said:

Then again there may be little actual playing done by this group, because it gets in the way of quality soldering time.

I noted that very happenstance, as it applied to me personally. Hence the slowing down of my post rate. I mean, how am I supposed to solder and type at the same time?!

Losing the Acoustic Forum would not upset me, but there are several topics there already. Does anyone else here find them so useful that they should remain, or to put it more succinctly, would anyone miss them if they went bye-bye? I think that for most of the questions, either Luthier and Repair or Guitars would be sufficient, no? Theory and Technique is not immune to discussion about playing an acoustic, I should think. And of course, there's always the Coffee Shop for what doesn't fit elsewhere.

But to stay on topic...... I'll not trash one forum and build another on the say-so of only one or two members, I'd like more input please. (Just call me Number Five.


sumgai

[andy]

runewalker said:

I do find it ironic that so much here is about the wires and magnets and strings and wood and switches, etc. When the original impetus was playing the d@mn things. So I sometimes wonder what these folks actually sound like on their tone machines.

Well I would be out playing tonight, but the show was cancelled just as I had driven through to the other side of some paticularly heavy traffic on-route! Murphy's law strikes again.

I don't know about others, but my 'homepage' link goes to a myspace page with bits of music and links to some of the artists I have worked with. Now I think of it, I need to update that thing!

Anyhow, back on subject. I have posted in the acoustic section, but only to drool over a nice photo of a Gibson J45. Being practical, I don't suppose there are a vast array of 'modding' opportunities with acoustics, more 'mending', which will be covered by Lutherie and Repair quite well.

As for a recording section, well, it is a huge-huge-huge subject, and must be covered extensively elsewhere. I would have to steer clear of it personally, purely because the subject could go in so many directions, and as both Sumgai and Runewalker have also hinted- the forum is enough of a distraction from the business of actually playing! Far be it from me to say one way or the other, but I could see a recording section eventually overtaking everything on the rest of the board in the long run. As it stands, Guitarnuts is for guitarists who like to actually risk meddling with their own guitars, a recording forum is for tons more guitarists, engineers, producers and so on. For the current members it could be a nice sideline subject, but it might bring in lots more bustle from a far wider demographic. Whether that is a good or a bad thing, I have no idea!!

So there my two cents. (Of course, that's Tuppence were I come from, or four cents, give or take )

[newey]

(Of course, that Tuppence were I come from, or four cents, give or take )

Only 'cause the US Dollar tanked!

Anyway, on the topic here, I personally do no recording so a topic on that would be of no value to me personally- but I certainly have no objection to one if others have an interest.

As to trashing the acoustics forum, I agree it's a bit off the path here and probably could be covered in other places if a need arose to discuss some aspects of acoustic gear. I note that the most recent post there was a while ago- it was mine, and really didn't have anything to do with an acoustic guitar, just a general musing in response to the thread.

[ChrisK]

Well, ya know, I been a'thinkin' aboot home recording.

Gee, what a clever way to record what mods sound like. It'd be easier than explaining what "hollow" means in OOP.

Ferget the amp modeling, these snippets should be Hi-Fi and as wide band as possible.

I suspect that somehow feeding them into the mic input on a laptop is all the hardware that one might need.

Maybe we don't need no stinkin' USB 800 GaZigaHertz 9873982250987625 bit AD recording hardware.

Ok so it's Lo-Fi. Whatever.

[ashcatlt]

I'm thinking there's already plenty of craziness going on around here. I'd be happy to participate in a thread where we link to our own recordings, and possibly even discuss our recording process to an extent. But there are other forums out there for recording concerns.

The one I frequent as much as this forum deserves a mention, since I'm always trying to drag their members over here when they've got guitar related questions. TapeOp is a free bi-monthly recording magazine with a serious DIY/home bent.

There are some people over on the forum (sign up for the free subscription to the mag, then surf to the forum) who have platinum albums, but there are also those who (like myself) have been recording in bedrooms and living rooms for thousands of years and then some folks just figuring out how to connect a microphone to a computer.

There's a few who might look down their noses or make snide remarks, but inn general, it's a great group of supportive and helpful folks.

[Runewalker]

Recording and the subsequent studio manipulations of the captured signal are a technology unto themselves. Many pieces I have done have 30 minutes of guitar playing, takes and overdubs, but 16 hours or more of studio manipulations and mixing.

Recording technology could lead to extensive discussion. I suspect that the number of folks who have ventured there that are sojourners here is small, so I doubt it would expand to absorb all the band width of the board. Setting up a DAW can be pretty complicated and expensive, so there are natural impediments to it being a large population. And most home recording setups now are DAWs and not analog.

More likely it will be like some of the topic areas that get occasional traffic, like say the theory/technique section. Not because there not an extensive net population interested in that, but because it is a sub interest of this community.

So related to a recording folder, I was proposing expanding it to a way for members to post pointers to music they have recorded or worked collaboratively on. Maybe it could have a subBoard for links (but I seem to recall some upper limit on posts with that approach?). Links and a space for comments. You know, "awesome, man, that kicks it, Satriani is drooling, dude... give the kid a bib...."

I was just curious what the folks here sound like. This is pretty small community, in reality. We have a number of interlopers, and transients, with a cadre of core members. And we are so well behaved.... ok some of you are.

CK does bring up another benefit, recording switching options to better illustrate what we inadequately try to describe. One man's woolly is another's pillowy; one man's piercing is another's clarity.

Producing samples is harder than it is sounds (so to speak), however. Selecting a representative riff/chord sequence that adequately represents both chords, arpeggios and single lines, then executing it more or less the same way through 300 switching iterations is a unique skill. And because it is daunting and difficult, naturally we as knuckleheads should all do it.

[sumgai]

Knuckleheads?

We have 1947 Harley-Davidsons here?

Where are they, I can't get the Search function to find 'em!

[sumgai]

(Sorry about that last one, I absolutely could not resist! ;D)

OK, so we should have a forum for posting links to our own submissions. The focus is to be trading examples that illustrate various points made throughout the NutzHouse, whether it's a switching combination, or an A/B comparison of two pickups, or whatever that closely resembles that ideal. Additionally, discussion on that forum should be focused on the samples found within those links.

In fact, as I wrote a bunch more verbiage, I realized that I was thinking as if the new Forum were already in existance. So be it.

rockwillreign, by the Grace of Gawd, I do hereby grant your wish. ;D

It's located in the Hobnobbing with Harbaugh section, go check it out.

And the Acoustic Forum stays, for the nonce time being. No real reason to eradicate it, we're not hurting for disk space or bandwidth.

Further discussion is no longer necessary, so this topic is now locked. Thanks, everyone.



sumgai


(Edited to keep the Britishers from thinking that we cater to pedophiles (the correct spelling). Thanks to all who PM'ed me on this little faux-pas.)