Thanks Ash for sending me the download...this time it played in my real player, so the computer may be getting 'better'...hmmm...or one last gasp before dying...again...
Speaking of which...another "dystopian" piece...interesting
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I like that regenerative delay thing in there and the harmony movement. The music does meander a bit but it is hypnotizing and calming in a strange way...lots to 'like' about it. The melody sounds like bass.
I'm no bass player, but I showed my Bass player this trick to fill out sounds...10ths...
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C-Dm-Bm-Am-G-F#m
This gives a similar sound and avoids "mud" on a bass...he uses these kinds of simple two note chords on ballads occasionally...anyway...your tune put me in mid of that kind of 'sound'...
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As for the "
Descending melodic minor"....these like the WT scale are sometimes referred to (putting on the academic hat) as 'synthetic scales. They kind of arrived at from practice in more traditional classical harmony in minor keys because of the desire to use the power of the 'leading tone' in voice leading harmony. It is often considered to be the 'pair' of the harmonic minor...well, that's the way I 'learned it' when I studied a bit of classical and had to do Segovia's scale thing...up the harmonic minor, down the descending minor.
But of course, there are more uses and you will often see it applied in jazz...particularly the "mode" of it. This creates what is often called the "altered" scale which I think I might have mentioned somewhere before. Basically, this scale a half step above the root of the V chord...so on V7, Ab 'melodic minor'...very hip sound for jazz or blues...
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It's rare to use such note choices for a whole piece but the only way to get 'inside' such scales is to explore their potential and sounds, the intervals they create and the moods they can set.
In reality it is simply the major scale with the 3rd flattened but gives a whole different sound and creates as you see that kind of 'symmetrical' pattern of half and whole steps. Anything 'symmetrical' tends to have this restless 'meandering' quality...again creating something 'weird' and 'strange' or alien.
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It reminds me of some of the 'soundscapes' that the psychedelic surf band "The Mermen" create at times...as do the titles which I think you will enjoy. I have one album here that I was listening to a week or so ago called "A Glorious Lethal Euphoria"...there's a track on there called 'with no definitive future and no purpose other than to prevail somehow' that recalls that kind of sense of...well, what ever it is!
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When listening to this kind of music, I tend to imagine some kind of "scene' and for what ever reason I had the image of being in a dark forest, sunlight shining through the gloom in moving shafts of light through a thick canopy above...a sense of exploring, not lost, almost a tranquility of sorts...but a bit of menace or 'strangeness' of being in some other world. But then, that's me...LOL.
I find that such imagineering is the only way to really appreciate a lot of music, especially "soundscapes"...when I studied music, I really had to work to 'get' some stuff...it can have it's rewards, but it can take 'work' as I say.
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So, I can see why you were pleased to 'capture' this...kind of hypnotic.
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It would be nice to take some of these ideas and develop it further with more contrasts and 'direction' and perhaps play with harmony as well.
I'm constantly surprised at how much 'dissonance' there is in things like the plain old 'major scales' as well as the 'brightness' that is associated with it. On a broader aspect, many of these sounds are there in good melodies when studied along with the chords (I put up something today that works off this with 'stairway' creating some nice chords as a consequence.
Dissonance and resolution are at the heart of great music IMHO.
As just as interesting and instructive 'exercise' would be to explore some 'brighter' sounds, see what you can make of things that can sound 'bright' but still weird...take the simpson's theme that I mentioned in the WTGB thread...
"the simpson's theme" though not WT has some qualities of the scale in it...I think that uses this kind of "mode"...lydian b7 perhaps...C,D,E,F#,G,A,Bb,C....the notes Bb,C,D,E,F# are all a WT apart and adds something of that WT flavour to that tune that makes it so distinctive.It's good to know where these kinds of symmetrical patterns fall in some of these 'scales' and as a composer play on these aspects. In the Simpson's theme you can really get a sense of that WT "lost" quality....while still maintaining a 'bright sound' to the piece. Henry Mancini (pink panther, baby elephant walk, etc) has some good ideas like that, approaching notes from a half step below that created a quirky distinctiveness to fairly ordinary scales...might think to explore some of these simple ideas as well.
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One of the interesting things about 'semitones' is that where ever they appear, they have a potential for creating a 'leading tone' effect...as we all tend to share some western expectations in harmony...and this can be a powerful 'tool' in creating more direction and movement and get you out of some strange sections and into some more familiar territory.
But certainly, not easy really to be successful at creating a fair whack of music (6 mins) with just one kind of tonal centre and avoiding these conventions. And a lot of this kind of music relies on 'context'...in the contest of a scene in a film for instance, it could be highly effective.
Keep sharing as it does stimulate the imagination and keeps the cogs in my head spinning...
Now...if I could just work out how to record some stuff to share too...hmmm....playing guitar is hard enough!
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Oh,,,and surely everyone understands the expression in the title...hahaha...no need to explain!
I don't recall teh 'tune' (might have been a surf thing) that had a similar title...F'n'L...from the same, expression. I had a thing for these titles at one stage, making words from letters...as an adolecent we used to make things like that up too as I recall...I can't write it as an acronym here, but I do recall "
If you see kay, tell her I love her"...lol...ok....better run, running late...