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Post by dna9656 on Mar 26, 2011 1:47:49 GMT -5
I scored a few N-Tuners, the on board tuner for 500k and 250k pot controlled guitars. I have a Clapton Strat, it has 1 250k tone pot with a detent in the center of it's rotation. It has 4 wires connected to it. All the other pots are not 250k. Is the EC Strat a good candidate for this install? I also have an Epiphone 1958 Korina Explorer re-issue. It has 2 vol. (not independent) controls and one tone control. I was going to install this on the vol. closest to my right hand, but with the 3 way switch I get lost, so I think I should install it in the tone position furthest away from my right hand. Opinions? Help? Especially with the Clapton Strat!....
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Post by newey on Mar 26, 2011 4:28:02 GMT -5
dna9656-
Hello and Welcome to G-Nut2!
That would be Fender's TBX tone control. Your EC Strat also has an active mid-boost system, involving a circuit board, 9V battery and lots of extra wiring already.
Replacing the TBX with the N-tuner means you lose the TBX feature; replacing the other tone control might be possible, you could presumably still wire the circuit board, etc. to the N-tuner. But given all the extra hardware in the cavity already on this guitar, I'm not sure you can spare the extra space needed for the N tuner.
The N-tuner instructions show it being wired to one of the tone controls, but it's essentially just a push/pull pot that turns the tuner circuitry on/off, so I don't see why you couldn't use the Volume control. But, again, i'd double-check for fitment issues before diving into this mod.
I think the Explorer presents a more straightforward install, shouldn't present any problems. It could be wired to any of the pots; I don't think the position of the N-tuner really matters, it's not like you're going to be using it mid-song, on the fly, so if you have to reach a bit further, so what? You'll have time to do so.
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Post by dna9656 on Mar 26, 2011 5:18:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind response! The Vol. on the EC is a 50K and the TBX position is out as you say becausea dual setup and 250K and that's what makes it an EC or partly anyway. I just need a diagram of where to solder the wires, THAT I can do. Linier thinking is not my fort'e as they say. So if a kind person could draw me a picture (ha ha) that would get me back on track. I have the same issue with the Explorer as well. That 3 way switch thows me off....
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Post by newey on Mar 26, 2011 12:36:06 GMT -5
The N Tuner website has a whole bunch of tech support stuff, including an installation video and multiple diagrams. For the Explorer, because of the control interaction you mentioned, I would think you would want to go with the one called Installation for dual humbuckers- full muteThe 50K volume pot on the EC Strat is used due to the active electronics, and you're right, that rules out the volume control. So, the EC seems to be out for this mod. The diagrams clearly show the wire going from the N tuner to the 3-way switch; I guess I'm not understanding your issue with the switch wiring.
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Post by dna9656 on Mar 26, 2011 13:15:40 GMT -5
I have been to the N-Tune site. I have talked to tech support. I have written tech support and I get solutions that are for generic wiring set-ups NOT FOR an EC. Has anyone here ever gone into a store to get directions while driving in an unfamiliar place? You totally got the the idea while you are in the store, out to the car and then 1/2 a block down the street you have no idea where you are going? You tell yourself you should have drawn a map! You know it's easy to get where ever you're going and you are too embarassed to go back where you got directions and too frustrated to go anywhere else. That's me. I need a map. I'm not a concept guy, I'm a visual guy. Let's say I'm from the "Show me state". I'm glad many here get the concept, I have a hard time with that. Maybe it's age I don't know but there it is. Learning new stuff is a lot tougher than it used to be.
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Post by dna9656 on Mar 26, 2011 13:19:00 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome newey!!! Most Kind! N-Tune sent me a diagram for the N-tuner in the tone position on a strat but it's for a regular Strat. NOT an EC. I did let them know I had a EC. I sent them the Fender diagrams and the link to the Fender diagrams. The lower tone pot on an EC has 4 wires to it. My question is do I just transfer these 4 wires over to the tuner and connect the tuner IAW the drawing? I doubt it's that simple. I am starting to think this is not a mod for the EC too.
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Post by newey on Mar 26, 2011 23:37:15 GMT -5
Someone once asked Daniel Boone if, in all his travels, he had ever been lost. He replied: "I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks".
I'm not sure that this will work on the active mid-boost control on your EC Strat, and as I stated, I'm less optimistic that it will fit.
First things first. You said you had already ordered the N-tuners (actually, I think it's called "N-Tune™") Check to see if it will even fit in the EC Strat; if it won't fit, then there's no point in worrying about whether it can be wired in with the mid-boost.
As far as a "roadmap" for wiring it, if it fits we'll look at that.
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 27, 2011 0:35:52 GMT -5
Has anyone here ever gone into a store to get directions while driving in an unfamiliar place? You totally got the the idea while you are in the store, out to the car and then 1/2 a block down the street you have no idea where you are going? My wife and I don't speak Spanish. We left Belize heading for the US in an Isuzu trooper. We had looked at a map of Mexico once. We got about half way home and realized we didn't know which road to take. Wandered around town saying "Mapas de Mexico?" and "Donde estas los Estados Unidos?" Dude would (I'm quite sure) tell me exactly where to go to get a map. All I understood was that he was pointing "that way". So we went over there and asked somebody else... We did get back to New Orleans for Halloween!
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Post by dna9656 on Mar 27, 2011 2:58:53 GMT -5
Been there, done that; waxed the car using the T shirt!
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Post by dna9656 on Mar 27, 2011 3:04:42 GMT -5
newey; It will definatly fit; it won't fit my MIC strat without a routing job. The EC is really just a modded 57 re-issue. with a special neck and routings for the EC pre-amp and the battery. I will fit just right in the lowest tone position. I wonder if there is a concentric 250k pot with a dpdt switch on it available... That would allow the tuner and the EC tone control....
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Post by newey on Mar 27, 2011 4:17:34 GMT -5
Several of us have wished for that item over the years. AFAIK, no such thing is commercially available. If you're sure all that will fit in there, I'll try to get a diagram up for you in a few days, as I'm traveling at present. Unless, of course, one of the other Nutz wants to take a stab at it in the meantime.
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