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Post by JFrankParnell on Jun 8, 2011 22:58:44 GMT -5
So, I just taught my son, who's 12, how to play 'you cant always get what you want' (normal tuning, C, open F, D). What other all open chord, 3 or 4 chord songs do you know? Hopefully that would appeal to a 12yo boy and a 42yo dad He's grown up with me and my buddies rockin out, so he's pretty hip looking thru my song charts... Bowie - Heroes DG CD Waylon Jennings - Dukes of hazard Velvet Underground - Heroin...only 2 chords, but uh... ...not much. Once I get his fingers in shape for barre chords, I'll have a lot more to choose from. Thinking back on what I learned at that age, lol... El Condor Pasa, Stewball, Puff the Magic Dragon, Feelin' Groovy...I guess my teacher was a S&G fan. Her name was Mrs. Muesen, but when I was little, I always thought it was Mrs. Music. SHe was the once a week music teacher in our schools, and in 5th grade, I started taking her guitar class after school.
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Post by lpf3 on Jun 8, 2011 23:34:03 GMT -5
How about......... Where Do The Children Play- Cat Stevens: D- G- Em- A Heart Of Gold- Neil Young: Em7- D- Em; then C- D- G- Em...... Brown Eyed Girl- (I know ) Van Morrisson: G- C- D- with an EM There's all those "Ice Cream Progression" songs like Oh, Donna; For Your Love; Duke Of Earl- you know..... G- Em- C- D. (or any other I-vi- IV - V) OK- maybe I'm showing my age but hey, just to get started he might like some of em. Ya gotta show him the Smoke On The Water lick and the Sunshine Of Your Love lick- you don't need full bar chords & it's good fretboard practice to start. I'm teaching my 11 year old grandson, too.......... Have fun, -lpf3 EDIT : I forgot all about Creedence & The Eagles....
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 9, 2011 0:14:07 GMT -5
EDIT : I forgot all about Creedence & The Eagles.... Well, that's easy enough to do... Thanks for the insights. Project #1 is finished...aside from the bad volume pot and a setup. Knowing that sound samples are required...and keeping in mind I have played a guitar since I was about 19, I need all the simple stuff I can find. I already feel like Rainman trying to use this damn pick... And thanks for keeping it simple for the bass player. When he stops drooling, I'll explain it to the drummer... Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by asmith on Jun 9, 2011 5:39:19 GMT -5
Sounds like it's time to purchase a Beatles songbook.
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Post by JohnH on Jun 9, 2011 7:56:43 GMT -5
'Rockin in the Free World' (Em D C G A) and 'My My Hey Hey' (Am G F C) by Neil Young
'Ziggy Stardust' by Bowie (G D C Am Bm)
'Wheels' by Foo Fighters (C G Em D shapes, capo at 2nd)
I like simple too
John
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Post by lpf3 on Jun 9, 2011 8:05:47 GMT -5
I already feel like Rainman trying to use this damn pick... Yeah, but if you drop your pick can you tell at a glance how many were in the original package? -lpf3
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 9, 2011 9:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you drop your pick can you tell at a glance how many were in the original package? Actually, the cats like to run off with them... I bought a bunch of picks trying to see which ones I liked. I really liked the Dunlop Jazz III's...which was the only friggin' pick the cats ran off with... I've got 3 of them buried somewhere in this place...with cat spit on them... HTC1
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 10:02:59 GMT -5
Gotta teach him inagodda davida by iron butterfly, standard EADGBe ,
(A), 0...0...2...1, (E),3, (A),0, (D),1, (A),2...1..., (repeat 2 more times then its)
(D)0 1 2 1 2 3 2 1 h1p2h1, (A), 2 1.....
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Post by ashcatlt on Jun 9, 2011 10:05:48 GMT -5
the Vaselines songs that Nirvana covered: "Molly's Lips" is G - C all the way through. "Son of a Gun" is A-E-D-E in the verse and G-C-D-C in the chorus.
Roger Miller's "Do Whacka Do": the verse goes A-D-E7-A-D-Bm7-E7 and the chorus is D-A-E7-A D-A-Bm7-E7. The Bm7 can be a tough chord, but I cheat and play it x-2-0-2-0-2.
Concrete Blonde "Tomorrow Wendy" (the acoustic live version): C-G-Am-F
Hell, most everything I play is simple open chord stuff!
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 10:23:23 GMT -5
there's also 7 nation army by the white stripes. l can't remember the tabs but its simple and easy to learn and if ya got one it sound awsome with a slide.
c1 aren't you a bass player?
See l play both but l learned guitar first, and add in the fact l play metal and why not just try bass picks thats what l use exclucively. My personal favorite is the 2.0mm Dunlop 'big stubby'. Perfect for shredding, from my own experience.
They should make the transition abit easier as well...
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Post by ashcatlt on Jun 9, 2011 10:30:34 GMT -5
There's nothing says you must play guitar with a pick. I had gotten away from them for quite a while and developed my own unique "style" of playing that went between two finger walking like on a bass and semi controlled half-assed flamenco type strumming. I switched back to a pick when we started playing acoustic and I found I couldn't get enough volume without destroying myself, but I still often find myself picking the lower strings and strumming the higher with my other three fingers.
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Post by asmith on Jun 9, 2011 10:52:37 GMT -5
There's nothing says you must play guitar with a pick.
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 11:16:19 GMT -5
There's nothing says you must play guitar with a pick. I'll see your vai tongue and raise you hendrix' teeth!!!
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 9, 2011 11:19:54 GMT -5
I tried fingerstyle, but 30 years of muscle memory on the bass tended to make me skip strings, and I couldn't find a comfortable place to lock my thumb...old habits... Plus, I tend to keep the fingernails on my right hand very short for playing the bass and I just didn't like the lack of attack playing fingerstyle on the guitar.
I just need to practice to get the hang of the string spacing...with both hands...
Keeping the pick from moving on me was what drew me to the Jazz III picks. They just seem to stay stuck to your fingers. After the cats walked off with the three I had I found that if I filed the leading edge of the pick in a radius and sand it smooth it tends to stay where I want it. There's probably someone out there with a patent on that, so I better just shut up...
I got ahead of myself and just started playing it once the strings were on. I still need to replace the bad volume pot, (it's constantly at 10) clean up the nut and do the setup...but you guys keep putting these songs up and I keep dragging it out "one more time" to see if I can play them...
I have to say, if I'd have known that learning the guitar was so effective in clearing a room of all life forms I'd have done it years ago... After 15 minutes I have the whole corner of the house to myself... Maybe that's why the cats stole my picks...
Thanks for the tips.
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 11:25:57 GMT -5
those bass picks l mentioned are center grooved and is textured for extra grip!!!
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 11:49:03 GMT -5
also try iron man its all on the E string.
0.....3......3\ 5 5.......... 8 7 8 7 8 7 5... 0... 3 3.... (repeat)
smoke on the water,
(E) 0 3 5... 0 3 6 5.... 0 3 5 3 0..... (repeat)
destroy all 'static x' drop d (DAdGBe)
(D&A) 0 0 4 2pm, 0 0 4 2pm, 0 0 4 2pm, 0 0pm. repeat.
otsegolectric 'static x' drop d
(D) 0 0 000 6 0 000 4 000 5 0 000 (repeat)
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Post by newey on Jun 9, 2011 19:37:19 GMT -5
One of my faves:
"Love Is All Around" by The Troggs:
Verse: D-Em-G-A (6X), Chorus is G-Em-G-D, G-Em-G-A
That one impresses the ladies, since it was used in "Four Weddings and a Funeral".
And, of course, if it's "three chords and a cloud of dust" you're after, there's always "Louie Louie"!
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Post by JFrankParnell on Jun 9, 2011 21:34:27 GMT -5
tons of great suggestions, guys
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 9, 2011 22:55:01 GMT -5
If you haven't tried yet head over to www.ultimate-guitar.com , they have a massive guitar and bass tab archive. l've used them for years, they also have lessons and exorcises in both tabs sheet and video, they cover several playing styles.
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 9, 2011 23:28:59 GMT -5
Another very good tool for learning a song is Guitar Pro. They're up to version 6 now, which has a lot more features then the version I have. It's $59.95 now, but $29.95 to upgrade. There are a boatload of Guitar Pro tabs available on line. It provides you with the music notation along with the tab below. You play back a modified MIDI track of the song, you can slow it down and loop it, or set it as a speed trainer. You can also modify the tab to suit a different position on the neck if you feel so inclined. I don't flog a lot of software, but this one is a steal at twice the price. HTC1
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Post by asmith on Jun 10, 2011 4:26:33 GMT -5
Another very good tool for learning a song is Guitar Pro. Might as well throw PowerTab in there as well. Freeware. Couldn't reccommend it enough.
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 10, 2011 7:57:03 GMT -5
Might as well throw PowerTab in there as well. Freeware. Couldn't recommend it enough. I have to agree. I tried to like Power Tab, but if Guitar Pro is a Bentley then Power Tab is more like a Trabant... The biggest drawback for me was the lack of good tabs for it. Where Guitar Pro really stretches out is its ability to export a tab to a MIDI file. While the actual playback of the tab in Guitar Pro is sufficient for learning a song, it can become a bit harsh over time. The exported MIDI can be ported through a sequencer and have VSTI synths assigned to it. An example can be found under glynnk's "BACKING TRACK NEEDED" post from a couple of years ago. That was just a proof of concept attempt. If you've got a good stable of VSTI plugins you can really push out a respectable track to play along with. Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by asmith on Jun 10, 2011 9:19:54 GMT -5
The biggest drawback for me was the lack of good tabs for it. The Power Tab Archive (powertabs.net) used to be active for downloads. It's not now, due to the furore of music publishing lawsuits. However, if it's on the PTA, simply search for it in a search engine - somebody will have it on the net without fail. If the first tab you find isn't up to scratch, I never had a problem after a bit of searching. Then again, the kind of people who put wanky wanky solo tabs together are the same kind that obsess over a lot of detail. Take your pick, I've found some gems and it never hurts to have PT in your arsenal. PowerTab: File - Export - MIDI File Or do you mean GuitarPro is simply ten times the MIDI Exporter that PowerTab is? I'm afraid I can't comment on GuitarPro's finer points all that much - poor as a child and thrifty as an adult I've never bought nor used it.
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Post by cynical1 on Jun 10, 2011 9:53:11 GMT -5
I bow to asmith's more recent experience with Power Tab. I still have it installed, but hardly use it anymore...plus my version of Power Tab is so old it can drink in most States now... The screenshots of the latest Power Tab do look much better then what I have.
The MIDI export function on my version left a bit to be desired, IMHO. It may have improved over time, and I notice they're announcing a ver. 2.0 soon.
I bought my first version of Guitar Pro for less the 30.00 USD (19.00 GBP) years ago and bumped it to version 5 for cheap on a promo offer. I'm happy with 5 and have no plans to upgrade to 6, although it does look to be greatly enhanced over 5.
And you can still get a wanked tab in Guitar Pro. Until you open them you have no idea how good or bad it's going to be.
Either one would be a significant aid in learning new songs.
HTC1
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Post by asmith on Jun 10, 2011 10:37:29 GMT -5
I bow to asmith's more recent experience with Power Tab. Don't be silly now, I didn't mean it as oneupmanship. Whoosh! Oink oink. I meant wanky wanky solo tabs as the product of a spotty kid sitting in his room and pondering: "Does Eddie Van Halen play this note at a 32nd note before or after the beat? Let's investigate." So JFrank, if you're looking for simple simple, they're not always mindblowing tabs.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Jun 10, 2011 12:37:49 GMT -5
while I use powertabs and guitarpro and also AmazingSlowDowner www.ronimusic.com/ , anything that requires the use of those would be too complex for a beginner. BTW, guitarpro can import powertab files. I'm just looking for the simple chords, written above the lyric. Well, I can easily figure out the chords and lyrics, of course. I like the classic rock suggestions that have come in, although those nirvana vaselines covers fit the bill nicely too. Yeah, Beatles, Neil Young, etc, have great open chord songs. Which reminds me, he plays 'Old time rock n roll' on trumpet in school band. Iron Man, et al, comes a little bit later, at the beginning of bar chords. The ice cream chords are good, too, as Jr. and I went to a comedy-music thing where they explained and played songs built on them, and that stuck with him.
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Post by newey on Jun 10, 2011 19:19:26 GMT -5
Hey, that's what I learned on, way back when.
"Bad Moon Risin'" D-A-G-D, chorus G-D-A-G-D
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Post by sbgodofmetal on Jun 11, 2011 10:57:08 GMT -5
how about some zztop they've got some real easy songs too!!!
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Jun 12, 2011 9:11:44 GMT -5
Does Eddie Van Halen play this note at a 32nd note before or after the beat? Let's investigate." It's actually on the beat. Had you said SRV, that's another story.... Now, EASY EASY songs? I would say Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne. Now, before you start going "wait wait wait, Crazy Train?", hear me out. I view it as an excellent expansion song. The into riff will get your alternative picking up to par, as well as your pinky. The main riff is simply chords in different chord forms. All chords using only the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th strings, E form of an A, C form of an E, C form of a D, open A (sans A string). Once you get the chords down, add a palm muted "chug" to the A string (in the form of 4 sixteenth notes, or easier, 2 eight notes. ) Want to solo like Randy? So does every metal head who's ever listened to music from the 80's. You work up to it. I think this is an excellent song for any kind-of beginner to be exposed to. Kind of a Jimmy Page-esque use of chord forms to cause a descending line out of chords that wouldn't be descending in a open form. Additionally, the ability to work out the main song, then add in the little frills that Randy such a wonder makes the song able to stretch from sort-of beginner to intermediate to expert (because we have badges that show our guitar level, amirite?) OR, you can just ignore what I say......
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Post by 4real on Jun 15, 2011 5:50:02 GMT -5
GP6 is amazing...it's RSE is great (much better than GM midi)...I use it as my preferred midi editor and notation program. Really great...
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Easy songs, I still remember my first song "walking down the line" by arlo guthrie, two chords A and D...
otherwise, just about any blues song is a good start, three chords...once you have a few down, teach how to play the same song in a different key and the idea of 'transposing' becomes a bit clearer...any number of classic blues!
I will often teach people dylan's 'knocking on heavens door' G-D-C, G-D-Am
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