bcsride
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Post by bcsride on Aug 12, 2011 1:08:05 GMT -5
If someone can provide me with a wiring diagram for the following HHH setup, I would be grateful. If you are type A OCD and like to include wire color coding, all pickups are Dimarzio. Pots and switches will be purchased to execute the plan.
Control configuration 1 volume with push pull, 1 tone with push pull, 1 toggle, 1 5 way switch, and HHH pickup configuration.
Here is what I am trying to do:
Toggle, phase shift/reverse/invert middle (master) Volume: down, middle and neck as humbuckers; up, middle and neck split. (master) Tone: down, bridge as humbuckers; up, bridge split. 5 way B, BM, M, MN, N
I think you can see what I am trying to do. I think I might like the to have Bridge + Neck, but I am not sure about the trade offs with something like Bridge + Middle - ideas welcome.
Any discussion is appreciated.
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2011 4:57:30 GMT -5
bcsride-
Hello and Welcome!
Everything you are asking for is doable except that I'm not sure what exactly you are asking for with the toggle. The above implies a 3 position toggle (an on-on-on switch).
I read your request to mean that you want the switch to do:
1) all pickups normal phase 2) neck (or bridge) out-of-phase 3) middle OOP
Is this correct? If so, it's a bit of overkill and will also require the rare and expensive 4 pole On-On-On switch.
As it stands you will not have N+Br, so the only 2-pickup combinations involve the middle pickup. All potential OOP combos can therefore be achieved by reversing the middle pickup only. Adding phase reversal for another pickup won't add anything new.
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Post by bcsride on Aug 12, 2011 8:27:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. What I meant by phase shift/reverse/invert middle was just having the toggle do an OOP so you would have 1) all pickups normal 2) (switched) middle pickups OOP
As a related aside, two knobs, a 5 way, and the toggle are my controls. I don't want to drill any new holes. Pickups are HHH. I do want a tone and a volume. I do want to be able to get all the humbuckers and all the taps. I do want to be able to get bridge H combined with middle and neck taps. I'd listen to ideas to get N+Br, but I am not sure what to give up. I'd listen to other ideas as well. Maybe series/parallel would be more fun then OOP on the middle? I don't know.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Aug 12, 2011 12:06:53 GMT -5
I've given up M for B+N (on the 5 way). I think having that 'tele' sound is funner than M. You'll need a super switch for that. (but i've got SSH). If I had humbuckers all around, I'd do the Seymour DUncan triple shots. www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/triple-shot/triple_shot_swi/ To get your SC sounds. That frees up two of your pot-switches and adds versatility. Afa series vs. oop... Series gives you (in my experience) a thicker, darker sound, thick and bassy. Good for metal or heavy. There are also 2 kinds of oop; soop and poop. Series oop and paralell oop. If you can get series/paralell switch going, then you can have soop and poop. In general, though, What style do you play in, mostly? If you are mostly into heavy stuff, you prolly wont like poop, but soop might be fun for you. If you change styles up alot, play some funk or other stuff where you want a thinner sound, poop is fun.
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2011 17:51:45 GMT -5
Oh, OK. Then this is just a DPDT On-On toggle, easy enough. I don't know that we have a scheme to do exactly this, but it certainly can be done as you have laid it out. We can probably find a scheme close to this and go from there to your version. Let me hunt around in the basement here . . . JFP's suggestion of using the triple shots would add functionality with no new holes to drill, if the cost isn't an impediment.
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2011 19:34:42 GMT -5
Here's my take. This is a schematic for working purposes. If you need a wiring diagram for actually building it, let us know. I had to look long and hard at the middle pickup combining the coil cut with the phase switch, but I finally convinced myself it was OK. Hopefully it is all good, but let's let someone vet it. BTW, note that the bridge coil cut switch (which I put on the Tone pot) only uses one pole of that switch, while the phase switch needs both poles on the toggle. So, you could save a bit (and probably simplify fitment) by buying a SPDT toggle instead of a DPDT, using that for the bridge coil cut, and then putting the phase switch on the vol pot (since a P/P is only available as a DPDT).
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Post by bcsride on Aug 13, 2011 7:41:17 GMT -5
A wiring diagram for building it would be appreciated. Also, I am interested comments on adding B+N and giving up M on the 5 way. a Schematic and wiring diagram for that would be appreciated as well. Or maybe just tell me what wires to switch on the 5 way. By the way newey, thanks, you're awesome. Here's my take. This is a schematic for working purposes. If you need a wiring diagram for actually building it, let us know. I had to look long and hard at the middle pickup combining the coil cut with the phase switch, but I finally convinced myself it was OK. Hopefully it is all good, but let's let someone vet it. BTW, note that the bridge coil cut switch (which I put on the Tone pot) only uses one pole of that switch, while the phase switch needs both poles on the toggle. So, you could save a bit (and probably simplify fitment) by buying a SPDT toggle instead of a DPDT, using that for the bridge coil cut, and then putting the phase switch on the vol pot (since a P/P is only available as a DPDT).
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Post by newey on Aug 13, 2011 8:14:10 GMT -5
Thanks, but let's make sure I've got this right so that "you're awesome" doesn't turn into "You *&^%$#$@%^&!" As far as Br + N being added, there's a few possibilities depending on what switching you have or are willing to procure. Replacing the regular 5-way with a Superswitch makes it easy to do. Other options to use a regular 5-way switch get more complicated. My thought is to use a regular 5-way to just control two of the three pickups (probably N and M), and use an on-on-on toggle to give: 1) Bridge pup to 5-way 2) Bridge pup coil cut 3) Bridge pup always on But I'm not sure if that can be done with a 2-pole switch, it might need a 4 pole toggle which is a rarer bird.
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Post by bcsride on Aug 13, 2011 10:43:30 GMT -5
I was thinking that a super switch 5 way would be good with switching of B BM BN MN N though maybe something else would be better
But, now that I think if it, as I only have M in 2 positions and I have B and N in 3 positions, the OOP switch should probably be put on N.
Hmm, I am starting to be trouble. I though I had the switching I wanted all figured out.
Help is appreciated, but if I am growing tiresome, move on.
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Post by newey on Aug 13, 2011 12:28:57 GMT -5
Not at all, this is what we do around the NutzHouse™!
But we do need to zero in on exactly what you want, before we go diagram-crazy. As I said, a Superswitch makes N+B easy if you are willing to go that route. The phase can easily be put on the neck instead of the middle, we just move that module to the neck pickup instead.
And you're right about the phase. If you're going to have parallel OOP settings, there will be less cancellation of frequencies using pickups that are further apart than with ones closer together. So, N+Br OOP is likely to be more useful a setting than Br+M OOP.
I like N + Br a lot, probably 'cause I'm a Tele guy at heart. But, on a Strat, I also couldn't live without "mid alone". So I would look to do a "Bridge On" type of scheme to have both, but as I said, not sure if that can be done without adding a switch, since you only have 2 spots for P/P pots.
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Post by bcsride on Aug 13, 2011 13:17:49 GMT -5
I think I can lose M solo. Tele would be more useful as I don't own one.
So, How about this.
Super switch 5 way with B BM BN MN N
Toggle OOP on N
Pull Tone to Tap the Bridge
Pull Volume to Tap both M and N
Thanks
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Post by newey on Aug 13, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -5
Ok, I can just modify the above scheme accordingly. Give me a day or so . . .
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Post by newey on Aug 13, 2011 19:13:44 GMT -5
Or less time if I blow off working to draw schematics! Again, once someone vets this I'll work on a wiring diagram. Note that one whole pole of the Superswitch is unused. As it is, I didn't need to use three poles; this probably could be tidier with some more work. But let's see if it gets the thumbs up and go from there.
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Post by newey on Aug 13, 2011 21:06:24 GMT -5
And a wiring diagram. Pretty sure this is OK. It's in DiMarzio colors. I have not shown the bridge ground or any pickup bare/shield wires. My only question is I don't remember offhand which lugs are connected with the knob "Up", whethe rthe upper or lower lugs are connected in the up position. You probably want pulling up on the knob to give the coil splits, I may have that backwards. It may be the upper lugs that get grounded, not the lower ones. But someone will correct me on that if it's wrong!
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Post by bcsride on Aug 17, 2011 15:35:14 GMT -5
Ordered parts today. We'll see how it goes.
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