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Post by sumgai on Mar 19, 2012 0:23:06 GMT -5
OK, OK, I get the point. Game over. .... PS: Who uses IE anymore? Those of us who are tired of being bashed about the head as if we were incapable of viewing the web unless it's done with ABM (Anything But Microsoft). IOW, IE just works, and just as we don't need "added functionality", nor do we need to "fix what ain't broken", I in particular don't need to subject myself to "If you don't use (my|our) product, you're an idiot, you're a loser, and your magic stick is short, so it's no wonder you don't get any women". BAH! I've got better things to do while browsing the web, like just visiting sites without fighting browser interfaces that don't allow me to visit sites - ever looked at anything else besides IE lately? I mean, if I was part of the distribution chain dispensing the drugs those clowns are using, I'd own more than one guitar, you can take that to the bank!!! And for you naysayers out there (not that c1 is such, he may or may not fit the following profile), I've got a few choice words for you: I have not suffered [glow=red,2,300]ANY[/glow]kind of attack since 2000, or perhaps 2001, when I first installed The Proxomitron. The only way my computer dies is if I write my own bad software (it's happened, sorry to say), or the hardware just plain gives up the ghost. Let me put this in the words of someone whom I dearly detest, but I'll still quote him, because he's correct - You are the sole and final responsible party for your own bleepin' security. Shuffling it off onto someone else (the browser maker, etc.) is just plain ignorant, there's no other way to look at it. I conclude: Practice Safe Hex! Whew, that was quite a rant. Sorry, c1, I know you didn't ask for it, at least not personally, but I gotta admit, my spleen feels much better now! ;D ;D OK, break's over, everybody back to work! sumgai (EDIT: fixed a minor spelling error)
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 19, 2012 7:28:12 GMT -5
I followed the link you sent me a while back on Proxomitron. Back in the day I used web proxy apps to keep the nasties out. We did it because there were insufficient protections available in the browsers of the time. Development stopped on this app, designed for Windows 95, around 9 years ago.
Granted, you create your own whitelists and blacklists, but it takes a certain modicum of savvy to use Proxomitron, or any web filtering app.
Now, in the age of 64 bit operating systems, processing power and bandwidth beyond anything we imagined back in the 90's, the threats to the average web browser have risen exponentially. And there is still no browser out there capable of dealing with these threats alone.
Plugins and addons offer some of the simplest and most effective protection. Of all the major players out there with browser offerings, Mozilla has the most effective set of addons to protect the average websurfer for getting pinged with an infection. NoScript and AdBlock Plus. Safari, IE, Opera, Chrome...sorry, no such addon or plugin is available to you.
I deal with this every day in the real world making a living cleaning up the drek that IE, along with most browsers, allows to pass through. Granted, Websense, or other products of their ilk could stop more if they are administered by people with a brain...but I work for the State of Wisconsin and hope does not spring eternal here. And the average home computer user is never going to use a product like Proxomitron...and if they did, they'd be hurting themselves as keeping a product like this up to date and effective has a learning curve that may leave them screwed in the process.
Pilot error, user stupidity, poor web filtering...call it what you like, but the majority of infections you are likely to get hit with come from a script that runs from a web page. By itself, no browser or addon will prevent a user from clicking on something that will infect their machine, but the addons will at least put up a "Bridge Out" sign. The user can still defeat this protection...but I believe Origin of Species has already covered that ground.
And I have no axe to grind against Microsoft. I make a living fixing everything they make. I use it at home because 99 time out of 100 it just works. Until some other OS can finally get their act together and put something out there as good, functional and reliable I see no reason to change. Linux is still a collaborative working hard not to reach a consensus on useability and MAC is just happy to be hanging on to 10% of the market. Look at MACs latest revisions to their OS and it's merely a concession to cross platform functionality. Try using your MAC mail on anything above Exchange Server 2007...better get warm and fuzzy with your SMTP server again...or just use the VMWare client now available for your MAC and just run a Windows VM so all your business tools will work...
And for reference, in the 21st century, I use a Windows XP VM running Mozilla with NoScript and AdBlock Plus installed, Comodo Internet Security (the free one) and PeerGuardian with HTTP filtering enabled. This works and I don't have to continually tweak these as they update themselves. And if it does get infected, I just unmount the bad VM, copy back in the template original and I'm off and running again.
And no offense taken, sg. I know how judgmental you can get...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by sumgai on Mar 19, 2012 14:46:44 GMT -5
I think we're all on the same page now, no further input is needed on my part.
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