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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 7:49:01 GMT -5
Hi this is my 1st post EVER! I am trying to get a schematic for... 2 HB with VOL & Variable Coil-Tap(instead of TONE pots) for each . I want a push/pull on 1 'TONE' pot for master series/parallel when 3 way toggle is in center position. Problem is I need a kinda 'D.I. switch' for the Bridge 'bucker... By 'D.I. switch' I mean when you pull up the 'tone' knob everything's bypassed & the bridge pickup goes straight to the Jack with no loading. I'd be great if the D.I. was always un-tapped HB too but IF the tap just HAS to be included if the 'tone' knob's set that way then so be it I suppose. The frustrating thing about all this is that I honestly can do all these features seperatly but am having difficulty putting 'em all together on the 1 axe! HELP!Both HBs have 4 core cable :-) THANKS IN ADVANCE, YOU GUYS!
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 27, 2012 9:06:53 GMT -5
Hi merseymale. Welcome to Guitarnutz2. I am trying to get a schematic for... Great. I prefer schematics. Wiring diagrams are more of a pain to draw. 2 HB with VOL & Variable Coil-Tap(instead of TONE pots) for each . There are different ways of implementing this. Bypassing only ONE coil of the HB. With the control at "10" the HB functions normally. With the control at "0" it functions like a SC. Bypassing EITHER coil of the HB. With the control at "10" the HB functions like a SC. With the control at "5" the HB functions normally. With the control at "0" the HB functions like a SC, but using the opposite coil that was used at "10". Fully bypassed. With either of the first two strategies, the control is directly connected to the series link. All frequencies are affected when a coil is shunted. HF bypassed. With either of the first two strategies, the control is connected to the series link through a capacitor. Only high frequencies are affected when a coil is shunted. This gives the clarity of a SC pickup for high frequencies, but maintains hum-canceling. What would you want your controls to do? I want a push/pull on 1 'TONE' pot for master series/parallel when 3 way toggle is in center position. The most sensible way to do this is to have the master switch put the two pickups in series REGARDLESS of the position of the 3-way toggle, when series is selected. In parallel, the 3-way will function normally. If you must have series only when the 3-way is in the center position, this will require much more complicated and EXPENSIVE switches for both the 3-way and mode (series/parallel) switch. Problem is I need a kinda 'D.I. switch' for the Bridge 'bucker... By 'D.I. switch' I mean when you pull up the 'tone' knob everything's bypassed & the bridge pickup goes straight to the Jack with no loading. I'd be great if the D.I. was always un-tapped HB too but IF the tap just HAS to be included if the 'tone' knob's set that way then so be it I suppose. This is all possible, but to defeat the variable coil split, you will need to use a 4PDT switch for the "Blower" switch. If you are satisfied with bypassing the 3-way and volume control but leaving the variable split on the bridge pickup, you can do this with a DPDT. (minitoggle or push-pull pot) Both HBs have 4 core cable :-) Do the HBs have metal covers or are they open? What brand and model are they? The frustrating thing about all this is that I honestly can do all these features seperatly but am having difficulty putting 'em all together on the 1 axe! HELP!You can learn. We can teach you. But I for one, am not interested in doing all the work. If you are willing to put in the time and effort, I will be glad to help you.
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Post by newey on Apr 27, 2012 9:25:13 GMT -5
merseymale-
Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!
It looks as if RT has you on the right track, I don't have anything to add, other than the greetings.
As Rt points out, we are always more receptive to someone who tries their hand at a diagram (or schematic) even if it's wrong- it's easier to correct an existing diagram than it is to draw something up from scratch. And, since you'll be doing the wiring, drawing your own diagram is a good way of understanding how everything fits together- the "learn-by-doing" approach.
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 9:45:59 GMT -5
Thank you both for getting back to me so quickly :-)
To be honest I prefer Wiring diagrams drawn cos I'm self taught at all this when I started bout 20 years ago.... I've always been a Fender kinda guy BUT I'm straying into G terrotory here..! ;-)
I've drawn-out/worked out how to do theBypassing only ONE coil of the HB= With the control at "10" the HB functions normally. With the control at "0" it functions like a SC.
I want a push/pull on 1 'TONE' pot for master series/parallel when 3 way toggle is in center position I don't mind if the pickups are 'naturally' series or parallel as long as the Push/Pull works :-) obviously BOTH pickups have to be selected for this to have an audible effect but electrically I'm fine with whatever the default setting is ;-) All of this seems possible to me except I really just need to know how a Blow/'D.I. switch' for the Bridge 'bucker would fit..?
By 'D.I. switch' I mean when you pull up the 'tone' knob everything's bypassed & the bridge pickup goes straight to the Jack with no loading & pref' always un-tapped HB too boot! but IF the tap just HAS to be included if the 'tone' knob's set that way then so be it I suppose. .?
the Bridge HBs is a coverless DiMarzio Super Disortion I have potted & the Neck is my own design whis IS covererd (nickle), potted * 4 cored too. they both follow the DiMarzio color code.
You say you are not interested in doing all the work BUT I'm SO pleased that I -here in LIVERPOOL,England- have got such a swift & knowlegable reply! For instance I did not yet know it was possible to "...bypass EITHER coil of the HB. With the control at "10" the HB functions like a SC. With the control at "5" the HB functions normally. With the control at "0" the HB functions like a SC, but using the opposite coil that was used at "10"
Thanks again! ANY info a GREAT help :-)
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 27, 2012 11:42:38 GMT -5
I've drawn-out/worked out how to do theBypassing only ONE coil of the HB= With the control at "10" the HB functions normally. With the control at "0" it functions like a SC. Post your drawing and we'll start from there. We can discuss other ways that may be more to your liking. I want a push/pull on 1 'TONE' pot for master series/parallel when 3 way toggle is in center position I don't mind if the pickups are 'naturally' series or parallel as long as the Push/Pull works :-) obviously BOTH pickups have to be selected for this to have an audible effect but electrically I'm fine with whatever the default setting is ;-) I don't think you understood my previous post. If you insist on having the mode switch (master series/parallel) result in both pickups in series only when 3 way toggle is in the center position, this will require EXPENSIVE switches and complicated wiring. The simple and inexpensive way is this: Push-pull down: 3 way works normally - Neck / Both pickups parallel / Bridge Push-pull up: Both pickups are in series. Position of 3 way is meaningless. What do you want? Simple and inexpensive with parts you already have, or exactly what you specified with exotic switches. All of this seems possible to me except I really just need to know how a Blow/'D.I. switch' for the Bridge 'bucker would fit..? By 'D.I. switch' I mean when you pull up the 'tone' knob everything's bypassed & the bridge pickup goes straight to the Jack with no loading & pref' always un-tapped HB too boot! but IF the tap just HAS to be included if the 'tone' knob's set that way then so be it I suppose. .? With a DPDT (like the switch on a push-pull pot), you can bypass everything but the pot for the variable "split" on the HB. If you want to bypass the variable split too, you need a 4PDT switch instead of the DPDT. the Bridge HBs is a coverless DiMarzio Super Disortion I have potted & the Neck is my own design whis IS covererd (nickle), potted * 4 cored too. they both follow the DiMarzio color code. Good.
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 12:44:03 GMT -5
Thanks. I will rustle up a photo in bout 20 mins...
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 15:05:53 GMT -5
HOW do I add this Jpeg? :-(
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Post by sumgai on Apr 27, 2012 15:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 16:16:53 GMT -5
Right, I hope from my sketch, you can see where I've got it to. Now, I can either add a DPDT switch to but the neck & bridge in series or paralell or a 'Blower/D.I. switch' but not -it seems to me- BOTH! I really feel frustrated by this 'cos I think I'm close to finnishing a very familiar JigSaw but just can't find the last piece! (EDITed by sumgai to get the expected results.)
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Post by JohnH on Apr 27, 2012 16:53:11 GMT -5
In your first go at the link to your photo, just add another closing ] bracket after the first time you write IMG, and it will work. Ill let you do that rather than edit it myself. I think your diagram is not very clear and I think there is more needed however. You can do both S/P switch and blower, using simple switches. What you cant do is: Use a standard LP toggle to make the series mode happen just in the centre position. You best shot is to have it fully override the toggle. You could get a special toggle, but it would not be deigned for an LP, and i think its better to keep with the normal one so it feels and operates right You can have the blower switch too, but you wont get it to also override the variable coil cuts with a normal dpdt toggle or push pull, as Retread said. Did you know that you can have the coil cut as part of the tone pot, and still have the tone control? That's how I wire my LP. Modular Lp designIt also has the S/P switch as an option, see also. various Jimmy Page designs in our schematic section John
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 17:09:51 GMT -5
Thanks LOADS for responding :-)
I think that my poor photo (SORRY) is misleading... it shows the standard NON-'50s Les Paul wiring BUT with the tones now variable coil-cut.
I want to do both S/P switch and blower, using DPDT switches under the push/pull pots. I just want to use a standard LP toggle to make the pickup selection happen as usual.
How can I have a fully overrideable toggle AND have the blower switch too?
I replied to Retread that, though I'd prefer the blower to always select the bridge pickup in HB mode, I can live with having the variable Coil-Cut ;-)
Thanks John hope you can enlighten me further ;-)
-Denis
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Post by JohnH on Apr 27, 2012 18:00:38 GMT -5
Thanks LOADS for responding :-) I think that my poor photo (SORRY) is misleading... it shows the standard NON-'50s Les Paul wiring BUT with the tones now variable coil-cut. I want to do both S/P switch and blower, using DPDT switches under the push/pull pots. I just want to use a standard LP toggle to make the pickup selection happen as usual. How can I have a fully overrideable toggle AND have the blower switch too? I replied to Retread that, though I'd prefer the blower to always select the bridge pickup in HB mode, I can live with having the variable Coil-Cut ;-) Thanks John hope you can enlighten me further ;-) -Denis Like this: See if you can do a wiring diagram...! cheers John
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Post by merseymale on Apr 27, 2012 19:36:41 GMT -5
a-ha!
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