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Post by gwharmby on Jul 18, 2012 17:10:03 GMT -5
Hello chaps, I'm new and my names George. Hows it hanging? I have a problem thats been wrecking my mind for a while now, i've asked friends, family, pickup manufactures and other boards without much help. I'm trying to wire my 72 custom reissue telecaster like this 1 Hum Neck (4 wire)/ 1 single bridge > 2 vol/ 2 tone > 5 way rotary switch (4 pole). I can't seem to find any kind of diagram for this nightmare, the reasoning for having the rotary switch is that i'm using stacked pots giving me the space to put onboard fuzz/tremolo or jfet preamp at a later date. This is the closest wiring diagram i've found, but it doesn't really help www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WD2HH5R11_01/Guitar-Wiring-Diagram-2-Humbuckers5-Way-Rotary-Switch1-Volume1-Tone-01.html Thanks in advance guys, I've bought all the hardware and still in a state of confusion  |
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 18, 2012 19:10:58 GMT -5
Hello George. Welcome to Guitarnutz2!
Your 4P5T rotary switch functions exactly the same as a 4P5T superswitch (or Megaswitch-M). If you find a diagram that uses one of those and 2 volumes and 2 tones, you are good to go.
If not, we could discuss creating a diagram just for your application. It sounds like adding a push-pull or two is locked out because of your need for concentric pots and leaving room for expansion. If that's the case, consider the 5 different combinations you would want of the 3 coils. (2 from the neck HB and one from the SC at the bridge. Any combination of 1, 2, or 3 coils in series or parallel would be possible.
If there is any way to add a push-pull or a DPDT minitoggle, your choices expand greatly. Instead of just 5 choices, you could have as many as 10.
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Post by newey on Jul 18, 2012 21:22:14 GMT -5
George-
Looks like RT has you pointed pretty much in the right direction. I will add that I'm assuming you want concentric Vol/tone pots, one per pickup, so that each pickup has individual V and T. This is a separate module that will go before the switching; you can use any 4-pot SG/LP diagram for that part of it. Just treat your SC as if it were a two-wire vintage HB.
As for the rotary switch, as RT says, any Superswitch diagram is useable.
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Post by gwharmby on Jul 19, 2012 3:01:01 GMT -5
Cheers for the replies guys.
RT - there is enough room to fit in a DPDT mini-toggle switch behind or next to the tone knob.
You have blown my mind with the idea of 10 configurations!
I originally managed to wire in the new pickups, so I know how to wire it a hum/sing 2 vol/2tone....But it's throwing this rotary in that's getting me.
I'd love to talk about helping creating a diagram!!!! originally the five configs I was looking at was
1. Bridge pickup alone
2. Bridge Pickup + Split neck
3. Bridge Pickup + Full neck
4. Split Neck
5. Full Neck
But I'd love to throw in something strange with a mini switch, maybe go out of phase?
Newey -Thanks for the welcome, yeah I've already got separate vol/tone for each pickup at the moment, it was the switching that was confusing me.
Now I'm thinking the adding a mini switch, where as confusing me a bit more lol, would be cool to get more sounds out of her.
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Post by newey on Jul 19, 2012 4:45:12 GMT -5
OK, so the controls are a "go", it's just the switching to be dealt with. One of "the elders" here, unklmickey, developed a series of humbucker-SC schemes he called "Hum-Sing". These all use a Superswitch with a mini-toggle for series/parallel between the two pickups (in the middle 3 switch positions). Here, it's a bridge HB with a neck SC, but switching any of these schemes to a neck HB-bridge SC is just a matter of re-labelling the pickups on the diagrams. Not exactly what you want, of course, but one or more of these designs may serve to inspire you. Make a note of JohnH's version- Scroll down for that one- he uses the mini-toggle switch as a coil-cut switch for the HB, so that the SC sound is available in all the middle positions. The 5-way switch is then used for the series/parallel sounds. |
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 19, 2012 7:53:38 GMT -5
RT - there is enough room to fit in a DPDT mini-toggle switch behind or next to the tone knob. Excellent. We'll consider some possibilities using that. I'd love to talk about helping creating a diagram!!!! originally the five configs I was looking at was 1. Bridge pickup alone 2. Bridge Pickup + Split neck 3. Bridge Pickup + Full neck 4. Split Neck 5. Full Neck All easily accomplished with just the rotary switch. But I'd love to throw in something strange with a mini switch, maybe go out of phase? Out of phase is one possibility, but I think it could be just one position on the rotary. I was originally thinking (system) series/parallel, but the 2 volume configuration complicates matters a bit. So a series/parallel for the HB or even a series/split/parallel (using a DPDT on-on-on minitoggle) might be a possibility. For the rotary, I'd suggest: Neck only Neck in parallel with Bridge Neck in series with Bridge Neck in series with Bridge Out of Phase Bridge only. The minitoggle would allow for the two coils of the HB to be in series or parallel with each other. OR the minitoggle would have the HB in normal series or split (one coil) mode. OR the minitoggle would have the HB in series/one coil/ parallel if you use an on-on-on switch. In the first two cases, you would have a total of 9 configurations. In the third case, you would have 12. Any of this sound interesting to you? |
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Post by gwharmby on Jul 19, 2012 8:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by D2o on Jul 19, 2012 17:20:32 GMT -5
Though i'd show you the pic of the guitar as it is at the moment  Cheers As it is? As it was, brother. Nice git ... yeah, baby!  Cheers, D2o |
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Post by gwharmby on Jul 21, 2012 6:28:29 GMT -5
Cheers D2o!
All the electronics seemed to come at once this morning, just taken all the guts out and widened the switch cavity to fit the 5 way rotary and started putting in some copper tape. I am excited!
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Post by gwharmby on Jul 25, 2012 12:51:06 GMT -5
The concentric pots/knobs arrived today, drilled the switch and ordered a kill switch...here's a bit more guitar porn..  |
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Post by gwharmby on Jul 27, 2012 5:43:42 GMT -5
Managed to work out the wiring, eventually ran the neck PU though the on/on/on switch then into the 5 way... Just waiting for the kill switch and a new set of strings in the post then I'll post some sort of demo up...
Cheers
G
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