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Post by morbe on Aug 9, 2012 8:08:27 GMT -5
Let's face it I don't always have the option to Mic a guitar amp and start recording. Most of the time I have to connect guitar to effects to a mixer. Though it allows me to get the job done. It sounds very thin and sterile. How do I warm things up to go straight to a mixer and record. Is there a device for this? I know that people do it. Would a tube based pre amp pedal warm things up? I know that line 6 has some amp modeler software but I'm running linux and don't have a lot of options on mainstream software.
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Post by cynical1 on Aug 9, 2012 9:48:48 GMT -5
...but I'm running linux and don't have a lot of options on mainstream software... As long as you continue to run Linux you will not be able to run VST plugins...OK, you can try and recompile them with the Steinberg VST SDK, but that is a crap shoot and more aggravation then it's worth. My efforts along this vein were 3 to 1 against it working...but it may have been the plugins I was trying to re-port. There are some respectable LADSPA plugins for Linux, but the real pro tools are not an option for you. In the traditionally disjointed development of Linux, in its various flavors, no one has seen fit to address the Linux\VST issue since around 2005, and even that was a cluge. I spent about 4 months trying to get the Linux distro 64Studio to run VST plugins in Ardour...but I finally just bit the bullet and got Windows 7. [RANT] If you want to use a computer for a specific task you need the hardware and software best suited to the task. Everyone loves to bash Microsoft, but their stuff works. Third party software works inside of Windows. Devices work inside of Windows. Linux is a noble concept, but until the Linux community puts down the bongos and stops singing Kumbaya it's always going to be a semi-functional OS. Flame me all you want on this, but after watching Linux crawl, walk, fall down and crawl some more I don't have a lot of faith in it ever being much more then an "I hate Microsoft" alternative. It's free for a reason. All of it's users are essentially BETA testers. [/RANT] Long and short of it is this: If you want to do the job right you need the right tools. Can you get results out of Linux? Sure. Are there as many options and tools within Linux to do the job well? Survey say No. Happy Trails Cynical One |
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Post by morbe on Aug 9, 2012 12:22:12 GMT -5
What about going into a recorder like a boss or fostex. One with a subpar preamp. Is there a device out there that will mimic the voice of an amp? Mimic a miced amp? For example the chain goes as follows, guitar, pedals, amp like device, recorder.
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Post by cynical1 on Aug 9, 2012 13:54:47 GMT -5
I understand your dilemma. I've never been a fan of direct digital recording either.
Sadly, the only way you're ever going to get that mic'd amp sound is by using a mic on your amp.
Some of the VST plugins do a respectable job taking that sterile digital signal and post processing it into something almost passing as a mic'd amp, but we've already covered that ground.
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Post by ashcatlt on Aug 9, 2012 15:25:01 GMT -5
There are plenty of amp/speaker sims out there. From pedals like the Tech21 Sansamp and it's cousins (the Behringer clone sounds fine) to things like the Line6 Pod family. I would recommend the Behringer V-Amp for value. I've got the Pro version of both the guitar and bass versions and both sound great to my ears.
Edit to add-
Course a speaker cabinet simulator isn't much more than series of filters. The most important part is a pretty severe slope starting somewhere around 3-5KHz. This is lower than the Treble knob on most mixers, but you might be able to get there by cranking down the Hi Eq shelf and tweaking a semi-parametric HiMid, if you have that.
If you're not using overdrive or other effects which add a lot of extra high frequency harmonics you can get close by loading a passive guitar's pickups and letting their own inductance and cable capacitance do the work. Even just backing down the Tone control a bit could help.
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Post by morbe on Aug 10, 2012 17:01:32 GMT -5
I wonder if ithe vox tone lab st will do what the behringer and line 6 pod can do? Hook straight into a recorder and get a miced amp sound? There is one sitting in a pawn shop fo. 75 bucks.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Aug 10, 2012 20:20:51 GMT -5
Get it. I have the tonelab LE, which is the same but bigger and more and etc. If you've ever heard my stuff, it's 100% guitar>maybe a pedal>tonelab>mixer/interface>sonar. www.youtube.com/dougcassidy |
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Post by ubertech on Apr 5, 2014 5:26:16 GMT -5
I spend a lot of my time teaching students how to mic up guitar cabs, and there is always one component that they need in any circuit, that is a D.I. Box A D.I. (Direct Injection) box corrects impedance from the guitar to the recording device - Impedance = the inbuilt resistance (dc) plus reactance (ac) of a circuit to signal flow. Basically impedance connections work best connecting from in relative terms low to high (a factor of 10 is a good start). However, a guitar pickups have a very high impedance (because they are a coil of wire), much higher than the input of say a multi-track recorder. The result of this is a loss/reduction of key frequencies in the recorded signal (bad coz its usually the middle grunt that goes). A DI box has in input (where the guitar goes in) with a very high impedance, much higher than the guitar pickups. An internal transformer reduces the impedance of the signal so the output impedance from the box is very low, much lower than the recorders input, so impedance is correctly balance and you will record the guitar signal at full frequency. My tip to students is always to record a dry DI signal when recording guitars as a backup - it can always be sent out to an amp later to be 're-amped' and it contains all of the dynamic nuances of the original guitarists performance and all the timbre - identical, like having the original guitarist and performance captured ready to stick into an amp and place a mic infront of it. You could also use this signal to process 'inside the box' of a D.A.W. and now there are some very good plug-ins - Native instruments Guitar Rig is my favourite, though I usually prefer the sound of an amp/mic combo than the speaker/room emulations available from plugin processors. a typical recording studio circuit would be what I call a D.I. split - as per the diagram. Its worth noting that some newer Audio Interfaces (such as Avid Mboxes - though build quality for Mboxes are a bit shonky) include a D.I. at the input stage - so have a look at the manufacturers spec. If it has a DI on one end, a USB/firewire/thunderbolt on the other, running it into a DAW with a Guitar Rig style emulator on it - your recordings and mixes will be fine Attachments:
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