|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Oct 31, 2012 9:44:29 GMT -5
Hi GuYS CAN U help me out. looking to use the Super switch to get the following along with a blower switch.
5-way "Super Switch" pickup selector:
1. Neck full humbucker
2. Neck pickup coils
wired in parallel
3. Both pickups, both coils
4. Inside coils of both pickups
5. Bridge full humbucker
With D'marzio Air norton S (mini neck) and Full Shred Bridge
|
|
|
|
Post by long813 on Oct 31, 2012 15:43:39 GMT -5
Hi GuYS CAN U help me out. looking to use the Super switch to get the following along with a blower switch. 5-way "Super Switch" pickup selector: 1. Neck full humbucker 2. Neck pickup coils wired in parallel 3. Both pickups, both coils 4. Inside coils of both pickups 5. Bridge full humbucker With D'marzio Air norton S (mini neck) and Full Shred Bridge Howdy! To get some things cleared up for my understanding. You have a guitar with a HH set up? And you want: 1: Neck HB 2: Neck slug // Neck screw (// - parallel) 3: Neck HB + Bridge HB (+ - series) 4: Neck slug + Bridge slug 5: Bridge HB Would that be correct? |
|
|
|
Post by sumgai on Nov 1, 2012 0:21:10 GMT -5
long, Your nomenclature flies in the face of The Nutz Standard, or what passes for one.....  The plus sign (+) stands for Parallel, this is widely recognized as such, even before the advent of the World Wide Wait. A series connection is almost universally denoted with an asterisk (*), although there have been a few deviations - but fortunately not many. For the record, how we write up an out-of-phase combinations is still unstandardized. We might see OoP, in upper or lower case, we might see a pre-designator such as Soop or Poop, again with varying degrees of capital letters, or we might see an underscore character in front of the pickup name (such as B+_N for Bridge and Neck in parallel, and out of phase), or finally, some folks have taken the Accountant's nomination of parenthesis to show a negative (B+(N) as an example). Thankfully the last two are getting more scarce, as they tend to cause more head-scratching than not.  Most of the long-term prisonersNutz have opted to use the first method shown, as in B*N OoP for "Bridge in series and out-of-phase with Neck". However, when discussing various generic combinations, the verbiage will likely include Soop and Poop, or even Hoop (half out-of-phase, more of a tonal quality than an electrical one). HTH! ;D sumgai |
|
|
|
Post by long813 on Nov 1, 2012 2:04:46 GMT -5
long, Your nomenclature flies in the face of The Nutz Standard, or what passes for one..... The plus sign (+) stands for Parallel, this is widely recognized as such, even before the advent of the World Wide Wait. A series connection is almost universally denoted with an asterisk (*), although there have been a few deviations - but fortunately not many. For the record, how we write up an out-of-phase combinations is still unstandardized. We might see OoP, in upper or lower case, we might see a pre-designator such as Soop or Poop, again with varying degrees of capital letters, or we might see an underscore character in front of the pickup name (such as B+_N for Bridge and Neck in parallel, and out of phase), or finally, some folks have taken the Accountant's nomination of parenthesis to show a negative (B+(N) as an example). Thankfully the last two are getting more scarce, as they tend to cause more head-scratching than not. Most of the long-term prisonersNutz have opted to use the first method shown, as in B*N OoP for "Bridge in series and out-of-phase with Neck". However, when discussing various generic combinations, the verbiage will likely include Soop and Poop, or even Hoop (half out-of-phase, more of a tonal quality than an electrical one). HTH! ;D sumgai Mind Blown. I stated why my variables were just to minimize confusion, but it seemed that it just caused more! My "train of thought" comes from the typical mathematical lingo I use, but I'll try to remember next time  ... And knowing is half the battle. |
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Nov 1, 2012 3:55:07 GMT -5
;D alright ..... then
Can anyone help with the diagram.....
|
|
|
|
Post by newey on Nov 1, 2012 4:56:59 GMT -5
Yep. But it will probably be the weekend before it happens . . .
Unanswered amid sg's notes about series vs. parallel notation is the question of what you want at position 3 on the switch. Your original post said:
Which I would take to mean that you wanted both pickups' coils connected in series (as on a regular HB), and the two pickups then connected together in parallel (as on an LP or virtually any other HH guitar).
But then long said:
Which then raised the question in my mind as to whether the "standard" HH combination was what you wanted at that position.
|
|
|
|
Post by long813 on Nov 1, 2012 20:10:44 GMT -5
Yep. But it will probably be the weekend before it happens . . . Unanswered amid sg's notes about series vs. parallel notation is the question of what you want at position 3 on the switch. Your original post said: Which I would take to mean that you wanted both pickups' coils connected in series (as on a regular HB), and the two pickups then connected together in parallel (as on an LP or virtually any other HH guitar). But then long said: Which then raised the question in my mind as to whether the "standard" HH combination was what you wanted at that position. I originally though that it was the intention was, but when I saw that there was a distinction of parallel, I thought otherwise. I'm here all day to confuse the masses |
|
|
|
Post by sumgai on Nov 1, 2012 20:52:03 GMT -5
long, I don't think you confused anyone because you did include a "legend", so to speak. It was that legend that I "discussed", not the fact that you used inconsistent markings for your "truth chart". Had you not included the legend, it's a sure bet that the chart would have been confusing in that a plus sign would've been mistaken for a Parallel connection, and everyone would've thrown up their hands in the air upon seeing a double stroke/slash.... trust me on that one.  And for the record, I submitted my two cents for the sake of consistency in recording/charting pickup combinations, not to confuse aprilbloomer with a bunch of malarkey as I'm used to spouting off......  I figure that newey, or others, will jump in and ask the right questions soon enough. After all, he's had professional training in that sort of thing. ;D </end of nit-picking>sumgai |
|
|
|
Post by long813 on Nov 1, 2012 21:33:09 GMT -5
long, I don't think you confused anyone because you did include a "legend", so to speak. It was that legend that I "discussed", not the fact that you used inconsistent markings for your "truth chart". Had you not included the legend, it's a sure bet that the chart would have been confusing in that a plus sign would've been mistaken for a Parallel connection, and everyone would've thrown up their hands in the air upon seeing a double stroke/slash.... trust me on that one. And for the record, I submitted my two cents for the sake of consistency in recording/charting pickup combinations, not to confuse aprilbloomer with a bunch of malarkey as I'm used to spouting off...... I figure that newey, or others, will jump in and ask the right questions soon enough. After all, he's had professional training in that sort of thing. ;D </end of nit-picking>sumgai Haha, ledgends are life savers But, my comment on "confusing" (jokingly) was the fact that I mentioned with the idea that position 3 could be Neck in series with Bridge ... something not 'typical' in the LP scheme. All in the name of understanding what the OP wants. |
|
|
|
Post by newey on Nov 1, 2012 23:00:57 GMT -5
OK, this needs to be looked at for accuracy before you start wiring this up. I have shown the connections with black dots along the length of the wires for clarity, but in real life you'll want to use jumpers from switch lug to switch lug. And I've used DM wire colors. I also used your numbering, where the neck end of the 5-way switch is #1, with the bridge at #5 (I've been lobbying here for the opposite to be the standard way of numbering, with the bridge as "1"). Also note that you asked for both inner coils at position 4, which is what I gave you, both slug coils. This will not be hum-cancelling. You would either need to use one screw coil and one slug coil (and you could also physically rotate one of the pickups 180 degrees so you got both inner coils, but one would be a screw coil). Or, alternatively, you would need to do some surgery to flip the magnet on one of the two pickups, and then wire them accordingly to get hum-cancelling.  |
|
|
|
Post by sumgai on Nov 2, 2012 4:15:44 GMT -5
newey, Both pickups are have their Wh/Bl wires tied together at all times, via switch terminal D4 - for the Neck, this is a Romper Room No-No.  The first thing that should pop into your mind is "Oh no, I can't get the Neck HB in parallel for Position 2 until I break that connection". But stare at the diagram a bit longer - it gets worse.... you've put White on B2 going to the hot, and Black on D2 going to ground. At about this point in time I'm sure you're having a head-slapping "D'oh!" moment, as those two are joined at the hip on D4, so the output is now directly grounded.  But what first caught my eye is your Blower switch. When it's set to Blow, the wiper can still take that signal to ground, or some level in between ground and full-on. Better would be to put the output jack's Hot terminal on the switch common, and select between the Hot and Wiper of the pot. A moment's cogitation will reveal that with a Single Pole switch, there is no way to completely eliminate the 3-pole device (the Volume control) from the circuit. Better to have it load the output with it's nominal maximum value than to let the wiper remain in the circuit. HTH sumgai p.s. I've gotten lazy in my doddering old age.... I now quit at only two mishaps instead of three. Sorry 'bout that. |
|
|
|
Post by newey on Nov 2, 2012 5:33:27 GMT -5
D'Oh! ( 8 ^ (|)
I looked at that eight different ways and didn't spot my error. Back to the drawing board . . .
|
|
|
|
Post by newey on Nov 2, 2012 21:44:33 GMT -5
OK, Here's v2.0, hopefully I've got this squared away now. But again, let's let someone check it first, it's a valuable exercise (as sumgai has just demonstrated!)  Note that, at position 4, poles B and D are connected by a jumper, which I should have made some other color than black so it was more obviously a wire . . . You could/should also jumper B and D together at position 2 rather than run the diagonal black wire as I drew it. |
|
|
|
Post by JohnH on Nov 2, 2012 23:02:22 GMT -5
Looks like that will work to me!
J
|
|
|
|
Post by newey on Nov 3, 2012 8:53:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the eyeballs, JohnH! Aprilblooms- Again, this is done the way you requested it, but if you want the single-coil sounds to be hum-cancelling, we can talk . . . |
|
|
|
Post by sumgai on Nov 3, 2012 15:28:34 GMT -5
I'll give Version 2 a thumbs up as well. ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Nov 8, 2012 12:42:19 GMT -5
;)Yipee.... Thankx a lot newey (legend)....... I will try this one V2 out and let u guys know...... Awesome  |
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Jan 17, 2013 3:54:41 GMT -5
Hi Newey, I used the wiring diagram ,but the 4th and 3rd position don't seem right...also the blower switch doesnt work on the 3rd and 4th position ..i:e the neck pickup remains on .... using a Suhr SSH+ in the bridge...and Dmarzio Air norton S at the neck. I flipped the pickups too.Can u help......  |
|
|
|
Post by newey on Jan 17, 2013 7:08:54 GMT -5
bloomy- Hmmm. First, I thought DiMarzios were the order of the day, but you've apparently switched one for a Suhr. I have no idea what the wiring color code for Suhr pickups is. Did you correlate wire colors from the DM colors shown on the diagram to the Suhr? This indicates that you are getting some output in those positions, but not as indicated on the table. What coils are in fact operating in both of those switch positions? Use a screwdriver tap test to see which coils are working. Don't understand what you mean by this. The blower switch doesn't turn any pickups on or off, it simply bypasses the volume pot (and tone if you have one, not shown on the diagram). Both pickups should remain "on" in positions 3 and 4, with or without the blower. |
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Jan 17, 2013 12:55:30 GMT -5
Hi newey, checked it with the screwdriver. on the 4th position the neck pickup has both the coils on. and on the 3rd and 5th position the bridge pickup outer coil sounds softer.compared to its inner coil. Also i was looking at bypassing all pots and pickups at any position and should only hear the brigdge pickup...when i switch on the blower switch. I think the color code is similar to the Seymour duncan pickups  |
|
|
|
Post by JohnH on Jan 17, 2013 17:53:18 GMT -5
Just chipping in to say, that when you tap a humbucker, and one pole sounds softer, then it is probably not active, and it is the other pole that is working, being coupled magnetically to it. So that would indicate a single coil or coil cut setting - if that is as intended.
|
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Jan 22, 2013 2:43:49 GMT -5
HELP anybody
|
|
|
|
Post by JohnH on Jan 22, 2013 6:00:34 GMT -5
It might be a good idea to make a new summary of where you are at and what sounds you are or arent getting, also to confirm if/hiw you have converted the Dimarzio colours that newey used, to the SD colours that are on your Suhr pup |
|
|
|
Post by newey on Jan 22, 2013 6:04:04 GMT -5
They are, apparently, identical to SD pickups. Which are different than the colors for the DiMarzios as I drew the diagram. Did you switch the colors around when you wired it to compensate for the change?
As for the blower switch, this was/is a bit of miscommunication. I drew the "blower switch" as a simple single pole switch bypassing the pot(s). It does so regardless of pickup selections. This is what I have understood a "blower switch" to do- it "blows past" the pots direct to the output.
If you want it to turn on the bridge so as to override the pickup selector and also to bypass the pots, that can be fairly easily done but will require a two-pole switch. But let's leave that aside for the moment and focus on getting your pickups working correctly.
At positions 3 and 5, both bridge coils should be active and should sound the same with the screwdriver tap test. It sounds like you are getting only the one if you're hearing a distinct difference.
The neck at position 4 sounds like a separate problem.
But before we go any further, please answer the wire color question. Also, do you have a multimeter available?
|
|
|
|
Post by aprilblooms on Feb 2, 2013 1:17:06 GMT -5
Hi
Yup i did switch the wires.... ya i do have a multimeter...
wht should i chk....
|
|
I figure that newey, or others, will jump in and ask the right questions soon enough. After all, he's had professional training in that sort of thing. ;D
The first thing that should pop into your mind is "Oh no, I can't get the Neck HB in parallel for Position 2 until I break that connection". But stare at the diagram a bit longer - it gets worse.... you've put White on B2 going to the hot, and Black on D2 going to ground. At about this point in time I'm sure you're having a head-slapping "D'oh!" moment, as those two are joined at the hip on D4, so the output is now directly grounded. 
