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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 16:00:53 GMT -5
bass + two guitars, (played with aria, the one i refretted) soundcloud.com/greekdude888/nunu4the above + one additional guitar soundcloud.com/greekdude888/nunu4-1all effects (bass, distortion) by rakarrack in Linux kubuntu. Recording/mixing with ardour. (nice and stable tool) Setup in rakarrack : stomp box metal amp with convolotron emulating a marshall stack. fantastic tools for riffs. ultra clean sound, no mud, no confusion, no lost in noise situation. for solo, tho, the above setup sucks. however, the sound is indeed a little sterile, and not so naturally sounding... maybe i gotta try the mic way sometime as Cyn1 suggested.
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 3, 2013 23:11:30 GMT -5
The guitar does compress a bit, but doesn't suffer anywhere near the emasculation the bass does.
I never did like what I got going directly into the computer with the bass. Way too flat and sterile.
Finding a good mic interface into your computer will give you much closer to what you're looking for...not that the computer aided rack effects aren't fun to play with...
Keep it up. It does get easier...
HTC1
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Post by JFrankParnell on Feb 3, 2013 23:29:17 GMT -5
i like the one with the added guitar, cool with the harmonies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 4:00:30 GMT -5
guys, thnx for listening The guitar does compress a bit, but doesn't suffer anywhere near the emasculation the bass does. I never did like what I got going directly into the computer with the bass. Way too flat and sterile. Finding a good mic interface into your computer will give you much closer to what you're looking for...not that the computer aided rack effects aren't fun to play with... Keep it up. It does get easier... HTC1 well, in my case the bass isn't even a proper bass. The bass sound is actually a guitar effect (harmonizer). Actually i never gave bass much thought (never been a proper bass player), it sounds to my untrained guitar-centric ear ok. Provides the backbone of the song, gives good ground and rythm to build the guitars on top of this. Problem overall, is that the whole thing just does not sound natural. The guitars are ok, but if i try to play solo through the same digital signal processing chain, the result is going to suck. For solo, i will have to do smth like : guitar -> boss me-25 with stack emulation -> Rakarrack with additional cabinet emulation -> Ardour , and really play hard with the settings across the whole chain. One thing that occurred to me and i would like to know the cause/remedy is this : Whenever i played with the Aria strat (equiped with mini rails : dimarzio fast track 1/2) it just sounded stable as far as output level is concerned. Whenever i played with the ibanez arz800 (LP shape) equiped with EMG 81/60 active, i got a strange effect, the sound output from rakarrack was not stable. The level was sort of unstable, and it was quite annoying. When i lowered the sound card's input level and also rakaracks' input level, it was corrected, but then i had to raise the level on the ardour mixer. Strange. In all aspects, the passives seemed to work better. But maybe it is just that my sound card sucks. I do not know.
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Post by JohnH on Feb 4, 2013 6:30:11 GMT -5
I liked the one with additional guitar.
There's something about converting a guitar sound to a bass which makes it different to a real bass beacuse you can always pick it. Not that its bad or anything, just different. I think maybe guitars sustain too long to emulate bass. Perhaps an expander coudl help. Also, when Ive tried it, I find it sounds better mixing in some of the raw guitar playng teh bass line, along with the octave down version.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 7:25:52 GMT -5
Thanx John, I think maybe guitars sustain too long to emulate bass. Perhaps an expander coudl help. Also, when Ive tried it, I find it sounds better mixing in some of the raw guitar playng teh bass line, along with the octave down version. Or maybe an aggressive noise gate? (eliminating sustain).? I will try the last trick with the raw guitar in parallel to the octave down bass. My favorite is the 1st version with the two guitars only, because i messed up with the ibanez (3rd guitar) with the EMG81/60 in the 2nd version's last part, and also maybe 3 guitars are too much.
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 4, 2013 10:52:08 GMT -5
The hardest thing about recording multiple tracks, versus having multiple guitarists is arrangement discipline....for lack of a better word. This is especially challenging with players in different sessions or parts of the world. Sticking to the parts you play, the structure of the song, setting levels...all your ducks need to be in a row before you hit that little red circle... I played live for years before I ever attempted recording anything. You worked out your levels in an empty room and tweaked it as the room filled...or didn't fill... In a recording scenario levels take on an entirely different level of importance. As you've probably seen, changing guitars through an amp may require some quick setting tweaks you make on the fly and go. When recording directly in this can become much more involved...especially as you add point of input and output gain. Foe me, I avoid most of this aggravation by avoiding the virtual racks, direct in and merely mic my amps. This is not to say this completely eliminates track level mismatches. One of the first things you find is that working out your recording levels takes some practice. I don't know what tools are available in Linux for Ardour to plugin to allow a better interface than most sequencing apps provide to assist you in determining peak levels and RMS levels in your recorded tracks. I use Sonalksis FreeG, but that's only compatible in MAC and Windows as far as I know...that old .vst thing rears it's ugly head... I did spend a few weeks playing with JAMin, the JACK Mastering Interface. Not enough to be competent, but enough to see it had potential. And rather than use a guitar with an octave drop plugin you might want to just use a virtual synthesizer and physically write out the bass parts for in through Rhapsody. I tried using an octave effect to make a bass sound like a guitar...the term miserable failure springs to mind almost immediately... Zappa always looked at the recording studio as another instrument onto itself. It's something you have to learn, practice and develop a style with. It does get easier... Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 11:12:43 GMT -5
JAMin definitely seems worth trying out. Thanx Cyn1. Man, the whole thing is a hell of a science by itself. Its getting huge.
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Post by cynical1 on Feb 4, 2013 11:43:25 GMT -5
...the whole thing is a hell of a science by itself. Its getting huge. Yes, yes it is...and don't worry, it just gets bigger... HTC1
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Post by sumgai on Feb 4, 2013 12:30:11 GMT -5
gd, Instead of running the computer's sound output to the usual stereo stuff (including headphones), try running it through a guitar amp - now how's your Tone? sumgai
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 15:55:42 GMT -5
gd, Instead of running the computer's sound output to the usual stereo stuff (including headphones), try running it through a guitar amp - now how's your Tone? sumgai good question, unfortunately we are in a process of relocating things in the house, so it will be some time till the next time the amp and the computer meet in the same room. Anyway, to my best perception, best sounds i get are with boss me-25 run through the headphones. No amp, no computer. Simple but good. But OTOH, maybe my amp/cabinet (Crate G40XL) is old and not very good.
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Post by perfboardpatcher on Feb 18, 2013 14:10:02 GMT -5
I expected some I'm going home, just kidding.
I like that guitar sound greekdude, not far off a Marshall JMP-1 preamp. Nice thrash/death metal riff. As i remember well Waltari's Space Avenue has that preamp distortion only kind of sound. The convolotron does a good job.
Perhaps a mini keyboard for the bass sounds (qsynth)?
I have to check out rakarrack. As you've noticed i'm on open source, Fedora 18. Moooooo...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 3:37:45 GMT -5
I expected some I'm going home, just kidding. I like that guitar sound greekdude, not far off a Marshall JMP-1 preamp. Nice thrash/death metal riff. As i remember well Waltari's Space Avenue has that preamp distortion only kind of sound. The convolotron does a good job. Perhaps a mini keyboard for the bass sounds (qsynth)? I have to check out rakarrack. As you've noticed i'm on open source, Fedora 18. Moooooo... cool Thanx. Spot on about JMP-1. Checked a little bit Waltari but could not find similarities. I use FreeBSD for my serious business and Kubuntu for the unarmed population ;D
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