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Post by sumgai on Aug 8, 2016 19:21:51 GMT -5
Persuant to my posting in this thread:
guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/7697/hypothetical-pickup-location-thinkin?page=1&scrollTo=78542
I challenge you all to figure out for yourselves (meaning, no help from the Internet), how to sound out the first four notes of Sleepwalk by using only open-string harmonics. And yes, some players call the technique "chimes" or "chiming", it's all the same.
Post your replies here using video, or tablature, or merely a textual description, so long as it can be understood and played. A sound clip alone will not count without some kind of secondary description.
You have your assignment, why are you still staring at this screen?
sumgai
p.s. No, I won't hold your beer and watch, so don't even ask!
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Post by sumgai on Aug 11, 2016 20:25:06 GMT -5
What, do I have to send out the Clue Train?
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2016 5:27:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't have to Google it, but I would have to go pull the hard copy of the tab for it out of my notebook. Which amounts to the same as googling it. Been too many years, don't know it off the top of my head anymore. Pulling some long-unused neurons back into service, I think it's 4th string, 7th fret, then second string, 12th fret. Then I forget . . . Or maybe that's the 4-note meme from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"
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Post by sumgai on Aug 12, 2016 11:27:11 GMT -5
Ah, so close my friend, so close. Good start, even if incorrect to a slight degree. Should be a good clue for others though... unless you somehow manage to unleash more of those fabled neurons!
It's hard to describe something like this, so I'm not seeing how Google/other search engines could correctly interpret the asking of this question. But then again, I'm not the fount of all things SEO, so perhaps it is possible.
And tabs, already in print? Who wudda thunk it? I figured this out all on my own one day, a decidedly large fraction of a century ago.
First real clue: 4 notes, 4 different strings.
sumgai
p.s. I did say in my opening post that the Internet was off-limits, but perhaps that's too much limitation. Go ahead, see if Google can find it for you. Just realize that my intent was to incite you to figure it out for yourself, thus adding a dash of self-inflicted adventure to the challenge.
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Post by cynical1 on Aug 12, 2016 12:09:31 GMT -5
I challenge you all to figure out for yourselves (meaning, no help from the Internet), how to sound out the first four notes of Sleepwalk by using only open-string harmonics. So, I tried this, per the contest rules, on the bass for the past day or so. I couldn't get it to work, but I saw you do it on guitar. Based on the prize money involved, I looked it up. To be fair, Sleepwalk was released in August 1959. I released in December 1957. Mom & Dad wouldn't let a 2 year old Cynical One listen to the radio...or have an instrument... Since I have disqualified myself due to my blatant disregard for the rules, I won't give the other 3 notes away. Do I get an honorable mention for pointing out that you need 6 strings to pull it off, or hit the higher harmonic and bend the neck...but that's still not quite right...which is about the point where I gave up at... Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by newey on Aug 12, 2016 12:50:34 GMT -5
In the Santo and Johnny original, he's playing it on a pedal steel, so using a 6-string regular guitar is a bit of a fudge anyway . . .
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Post by b4nj0 on Aug 12, 2016 14:20:44 GMT -5
I hope I've interpreted the question correctly...
My guess is that there is more than one solution. This is as near as I could get after 'tubing the Farina version and strobing my Yammy, because I first did it by ear from memory and had the wrong key. No perfect pitch here!
G string 12th Fret. D string 7th Fret. B string 7th Fret. (or D string 9th (or 4th Fret)) A string 9th (or 4th) Fret.
(Bobby Inguano's version is spirit lifting and also elevates this piece, but I still love Gatton's take too.)
e&oe...
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Post by sumgai on Aug 12, 2016 18:40:15 GMT -5
b4nj0's version may be correct, I'll have to go try it on my own axe. Suffice it to say, that's not the way I figured it out, and I think my way's more intuitive. Possibly better sounding, but I'll wait until I can try this "new" way first, before passing judgment on that particular aspect.
newey would win the understatement-of-the-week award, if it weren't for the fact that Santo didn't use chimes on his non-pedal steel rig, he just slid his slide as needed, all on one string.... as in this video, from Dick Clark's earlier days:
Push coming to shove, this is not the version I expected to find on YT, that one seems to be unfindably buried under many, many other results. But it does illustrate my point about no pedals on a 3-neck guitar (made by Fender, no less). I'll keep my eyes peeled for that original vid, because it better illustrates both the lead and rhythm parts (I mean, the camera angles).
In the meantime, here's an oddity that you might not have expected:
HTH
sumgai
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Post by sumgai on Aug 13, 2016 19:44:01 GMT -5
G string 12th Fret. D string 7th Fret. B string 7th Fret. (or D string 9th (or 4th Fret)) A string 9th (or 4th) Fret.
Upon further testing.....
Ummm, nope sorry, not quite. The first two notes are correct, but not the remaining two. Also, I realize (belatedly) that I should've specified either a specific key, or let you pick the key of your choice. In that vein, there is likely more than one solution, I must now admit. However, most performers are used to doing the tune in the key of C, as am I. Therefore, in the key of C, I'll end this charade now, with the whole thing:
G string, 12th fret; D string, 7th fret; E string, 12th fret (this being the high E string); B string, 12th fret.
A bit of practice and you'll be proficient enough to do it at normal speed. I personally prefer to perform this stunt only at the end of the tune, not at the beginning. Adds a bit of spice, if'n ya know what I mean. (If you must know, at the beginning I use my VG-88 to simulate a pedal steel, the pedal being assigned to change the pitch as if it were a slide. But that's a conversation for another day.)
BTW, did anyone follow Luna Lee's other performances? She's well informed in the Rock world, taking that knowledge to another instrument. Check out how she treats Jimi Hendrix, or even Hotel California's bridge part. Perhaps I should've popped this into my thread on Lindsey Stirling, along the lines of "does it have to be a guitar in order to rock?". Still searching for that video I posted years ago...
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HAH!
Knew I'd find it eventually. At first, this version appears to be the same as the one posted above. But look at the position of the two brothers, and you'll see that's not so. Again, I think that the camera angles are a bit better here, even if the audio is nowhere near usable.
OK, that's enough of this nonsense. Since I couldn't rouse gumbo from his cozy little hidey-hole (it's winter down there), I guess we might as well move on to something else. Hope at least a few of you enjoyed the challenge, and possibly picked up a trick or two.
sumgai
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Post by b4nj0 on Aug 14, 2016 6:14:32 GMT -5
Indeed you are correct. However, my version sounds fine to me- until I play your version which rings out much stronger too. My last two notes are a whole step higher which means I didn't get the interval right. I can't figure out why both sound OK to me, but I concede that your way is truth.
It was a good poser to set, but the reminder to get with the challenge obviously came from a retiree! I had a heavy week coping with the foibles of American Boeing first article inspectors and was just too mentally tired to rise to the task. Literally.
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Post by sumgai on Aug 14, 2016 21:00:09 GMT -5
b4nj0,
Next time I'll ask the question in two parts, so that those who have to deal with Boeing can have a reasonable time frame in which to answer.
BTW, I live in Boeing Worker's country, two of my neighbors in this new development are engineers there, and over the years, I've lived near to, or talked with, many such. Although I never worked there, some of my high-school friends did start out there, back before the big crash in 1969. When I got home from the Army and heard about how many people got laid off, and how long it took them to find work again, I vowed never to work for a company "too big to fail". Probably a smart move, and in hindsight, I don't regret it at all.
I feel for ya, brother, truly I know your pain. No matter what the line of work, engineers don't like getting inspected by (usually government) idiots who have no clue how things work, and are just in it for the paycheck. Bah!
As to hearing things that sound fine to you when others are gagging, well, that's just diversity raising its head above the noise floor. If we all heard the same thing every time no matter what, then this would indeed be a boring world, now wouldn't it? Play it your way, buddy - Noli Illegitimis Carborundum!!
'3s and '8s, OM!
sumgai
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