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Post by allmostawake on Dec 28, 2005 23:57:22 GMT -5
Somebody shoot straight with me here, why not a SINGLE comment about the Richardson mod. NOt even an answer to the other poster. What's the deal?
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Post by jimplaysguitar on Dec 29, 2005 1:05:42 GMT -5
Who is this "Richardson" fellow you speak of
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Post by eljib on Dec 29, 2005 14:50:35 GMT -5
Well, I was going to respond to it, but he was adamant about only getting posts from people with a working version of the mod. I just wanted to know which version he used, as there are several on the GN1 site.
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Post by allmostawake on Dec 29, 2005 20:35:18 GMT -5
Jim you gotta do your homework. This mod has been around for a couple of years in two versions. Seek it out, or do you want some help finding it?
Eljib, when I first posted my concerns with the Richardson mod. I wanted (as stated) people who were actually using the mod. to respond. For the simple reason (as stated) that I need someone to help me who ACTUALLY has the mod.up and running. Otherwise I'm gonna get to many people trying to solve my problem who don't have the mod. working to verify my concerns. Mike Richardson himself couldn't even get the mod. right when I sent it to him twice. My second pot was a Question not contingent upon any stipulation weather you have the mod. currently working or not. "Anyone EVER get the mod. to work" I got NO RESPONSES. Then I asked the next question in response the the fact that I have not had a single response to any question I've asked in regards to the mod. It just seems strange that no one has any constructive input on this issue. I've been a member here for almost 3 years even though my membership does not reflect that fact. When the board changed from the old site I changed my handle. So I'm not exactly a "newbie". I'm just trying to get some straight forward real-world answers to some questions. From knowledgeable people. And so far that has not happened as you can see.
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Post by wolf on Dec 29, 2005 21:48:23 GMT -5
allmostawake Here is the diagram as posted by Stonabus:
I "edited" it a little so that it can be viewed entirely without having to scroll the image. You asked Jim to "do his homework". I don't see why he (or any other "GuitarNut") has to chase down graphics mentioned by someone else. 1) I think the polite thing to do is for the person asking the question to post the diagram themselves. 2) If possible find a good diagram. This could be redrawn. I did not redraw it because I DON'T like those Fender 5 way switches. At least for me, I can't tell what the Heck this thing is really doing. 3) This looks like a scanned pencil and paper diagram. Couldn't the person who drew it, at least use MS Paint which I think comes with the most primitive computer? In fact, I have drawn all of my diagrams with MS Paint - that's it. Nothing fancy. 4) Is this the "genuine" mod? You said there are 2 versions of this on the 'Net. Is this the correct one?
Well, at least you got a reply. ;D
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Post by Cenulab on Dec 30, 2005 9:15:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm about 3/4 of the way done wiring up this mod to drop into my Strat with a couple of tone control tweaks but basically using the same diagram that Wolf posted. So no, I don't have a "working" model yet but naturally I'm concerned if a GN wasn't able to make the very mod work that I (a relative newbie) am attempting! Next couple of hours I have free I'm going to finish up (still nedd to shield the body cavity, as well as route & solder a few more wires). I can tell you that I spent a lot of time going over this diagram and on paper it sure looks like it would work to me. Maybe there's a problem with one of the details not shown on Mike's diagram...? I don't think the subject is taboo, but with the bashing that 5-ways take on this forum ;D I would guess that it's not the most popular mod! I'll throw in my $.02 when my project is complete... -Cen
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Post by bam on Dec 30, 2005 11:53:39 GMT -5
sorry for being late, but .. it seems that these people from GN1 who continued with GN2 .. simply doesn't (or rarely ?) use that mod. I personally never used a superswitch (N,B, and N+B - humbuckers - works just fine ) ..well, good luck, at least..
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Post by allmostawake on Dec 31, 2005 3:01:33 GMT -5
Cen,when you get done could you fill in the diagram in MS Paint of the entire mod. including the bridge negative wire as well as the tone controls. As long as it actually works. the blank diagram can be found below have you read my other posts in regards to the Richardson mod? i30.photobucket.com/albums/c349/allmostawake/RichardsonJPEG.jpg[/img]
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Post by Cenulab on Jan 9, 2006 10:36:49 GMT -5
Allmost,
Will do, when I get it done. Life's been a little too busy lately but I'll get there, and yes, I'll fill in your diagram if it works (man, I HOPE SO!)
-Cen
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Post by allmostawake on Jan 10, 2006 20:27:33 GMT -5
Thanks alot Cen! Keep me posted. I really apprieciate it.
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Post by CheshireCat on Jan 19, 2006 20:10:08 GMT -5
Here is the diagram as posted by Stonabus:
3) This looks like a scanned pencil and paper diagram. Couldn't the person who drew it, at least use MS Paint which I think comes with the most primitive computer? In fact, I have drawn all of my diagrams with MS Paint - that's it. Nothing fancy. With all due respect, let's not rip on Mike. Not that that was your intention, but, to be honest, he's probably a lot like me and likes to design stuff with pencil in hand. I'm not very particular with MS Paint, and, in fact, don't know that I've ever used it specifically, at least for creating something from scratch. One of the advantages I have using pencil and paper is that I can loosely sketch ideas out lightly in pencil, and then redirect it. I'm artistically inclined, and find it a lot easier to work that way than trying to sketch with a mouse in hand. Of course, that's all said in context to me being very comfortable on the computer composing letters and posts and what not. And, of course, once it's created, then why go and rerender it when you can just scan it? So, either way is fine. Whatever medium works for you as the artist. Actually, Mike has contributed a significant amount to Guitar Nuts, and to me personally, and I owe a lot of what I know and do to him, in terms of a number of the innovations he's come up with. Just thought I'd mention it since this thread seems to be potentially casting him in a bad light, or might give that impression to newbies. I don't see him around much anymore, but he's probably busy with life and doesn't get to come around as often as he might like. I've recently had that same experience. Chesh
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Post by jimplaysguitar on Jan 19, 2006 23:23:07 GMT -5
Well i thought I'd contribute, since I like to draw. IMO, it's a lot easier to read, but that's probably 'cause I drew it. But it's still a mess. ;D I've checked it through a couple of times. Every possision seems to work. I also added a phase switch on the neck pup, as Mike sujested. If you see any faults, tell me and i'll make alterations. It's an amazing mod by an amazing modder and I'm planning on trying it with my MIM HSS Strat pretty soon. Jim
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Post by wolf on Jan 20, 2006 0:27:06 GMT -5
CheshireCat When you refer to Mike, I take it that you mean Mike Richardson? If anything, I was not objecting to Mike Richardson's diagram. Rather, I was commenting more on the behavior of allmostawake. (Just look at the postings he made here. Not very friendly or helpful wouldn't you say?)
Still, if allmostawake comes back to this thread, I'm sure the GuitarNuts will be happy to help him out. Really.
And Jim - darned good drawing !!!
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Post by CheshireCat on Jan 20, 2006 0:39:41 GMT -5
CheshireCat When you refer to Mike, I take it that you mean Mike Richardson? If anything, I was not objecting to Mike Richardson's diagram. Rather, I was commenting more on the behavior of allmostawake. (Just look at the postings he made here. Not very friendly or helpful wouldn't you say?)
Still, if allmostawake comes back to this thread, I'm sure the GuitarNuts will be happy to help him out. Really.
And Jim - darned good drawing !!!
Well, I got that, and I imagine so, but to the best of my knowledge, that's Mike's original work. The person who drew that referenced in point #3 was nonother than Mike himself.
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Post by UnklMickey on Jan 20, 2006 0:44:31 GMT -5
Jim,
i think it's a nice thing that you took the initiative to draw out this circuit.
i can speak from experience that when you draw something complicated, after a while mistakes can, and will be made.
i haven't checked the whole thing out, but one problem i found is that there is only one wire leaving the phase switch.
i guess that's a twisted pair on the neck pickup .:LOL:. might read a little easier if you just routed it's wires above the middle and bridge then down to the phase switch.
some color never hurts either.
nonetheless, +1 for your effort.
unk
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Post by Cenulab on Jan 20, 2006 14:12:32 GMT -5
All, I finished the mod, and after a couple of trails and errors, it works! groups.msn.com/Cenulab/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3(Sorry, I can't figure out how to paste the picture in plain sight.) I finally filled in the diagram that allmostawake started, though I left out the phase switch for the sake of clarity, and as suggested, unk, used a little color. I'm not as neat as Jim, obviously (Sharp drawing, dude!), but like you, Chesh, I'm most comfortable with a pencil in hand. I've had a few e-mails back and forth with allmost, and in his defense, he's tried this mod several times, and with experienced help (from Mike, no less) and still hasn't been able to make it work the way it's supposed to. Yes, perhaps his posting was a little harsh, but we all get frustrated from time to time, you know? I'm still a relative novice with this gee-tar hot rodding thing, so before attempting this mod I went over and over and over it until I convinced myself that I understood what was happening in every position, and even tried a few "what if" modifications just to get the idea burned into my brain a little better. I, like many, get a little confused by true schematics, and though most of you veteran nuts don't need to see every detail of a proposed mod whether it be a schematic or diagram, many of us newbies do. Anyway, after a couple of incorrect connections, a completely missed wire and a bad solder joint, I'm finally in business! Now if I could only find the time to actually play my fabulous trick guitar... Thanks to all of you nuts for your continued support and insight. I couldn't have pulled this off without yaz. -Cen
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Post by UnklMickey on Jan 20, 2006 14:42:56 GMT -5
...I've had a few e-mails back and forth with allmost, and in his defense, he's tried this mod several times, and with experienced help (from Mike, no less) and still hasn't been able to make it work the way it's supposed to. Yes, perhaps his posting was a little harsh, but we all get frustrated from time to time, you know?... ...Anyway, after a couple of incorrect connections, a completely missed wire and a bad solder joint, I'm finally in business!... well said. originally, i wanted to steer clear of this issue. on the one hand, allmostawake came off as being a bit demanding in his original posts. on the other hand he did pay money for what he thought would fix his problems, without a satisfying outcome. i'm sure all of us can understand how frustrating that can be. i wouldn't want to be on either side of this issue. who knows what is going on in the particular case of allmostawake's guitar. did something get jostled about during shipping? did mike miss something? did allmostawake do something wrong? personally i think it's a fine thing, cenulab, that you have been able to verify the design of the mod by a real-world test. and reported the results to us. maybe you and allmostawake can have some conversations and he might be able to get to the bottom of what's causing his trouble. +1 pal. unk p.s. jim can probably use your drawing in conjunction with mike's to verify the one he's working on. i suspect mike will want to encourage jim to post the final draft when he's done with it. but of course that's up to mike.
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Post by jimplaysguitar on Jan 20, 2006 15:05:37 GMT -5
Amazing, Cen. I'm going to use this mod on my HSS strat pretty soon, but with a master tone (that's always my preference with three pickups, what's the point in having a toneless pickup?) and a phase switch. With a seperate coil split for the 'bucker ofcourse. We'll see what happens. I'll even take pics of my final work. Jim
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Post by Cenulab on Jan 20, 2006 16:38:29 GMT -5
Unk (and all),
Glad I could actually make a contribution!
Jim, in this particular mod, there is no position for the middle pup by itself, so I elected to leave that pup tone-control-free. I still end up with at least one tone control functional in every position. The way this set-up is wired, having both tone controls wired as shown seems to be a very powerful thing...
(Actually, I wired each of my tone controls to a three-way switch, so I end up with single-pup / off / master options for each tone control. Hey - they don't call this forum "guitar nuts 2" for nothin, ya know!)
-Cen
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Post by jimplaysguitar on Jan 20, 2006 16:56:43 GMT -5
Jim, in this particular mod, there is no position for the middle pup by itself, so I elected to leave that pup tone-control-free. I still end up with at least one tone control functional in every position. The way this set-up is wired, having both tone controls wired as shown seems to be a very powerful thing... I didn't think of that, but how does it affect the tone control with Bridge and Neck in series, you then have two tone controls in the same signal path? Edit: Actually, looking at your drawing, the neck's tone capacitor isn't grounded unless the pickup is on in parallel? I'm confused. That's quite a cool idea, you use an on/off/on switch for that right? Jim
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Post by Cenulab on Jan 20, 2006 17:38:56 GMT -5
Jim,
You know, it's been so long since I analyzed the **** out of this mod, I can't give you a quick answer on the exact functions of the tone controls, but I can tell you that they both do something...
When I finally got around to soldering, I just followed the diagram blindly, trusting my previous conclusion that this thing would work...
And yes; on-off-on. I like it.
C-ya...
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Post by ChrisK on Jan 26, 2006 18:56:32 GMT -5
I implemented it a couple of years ago. It's in a padouk chambered Strat body w/ a padouk/ebony 1 7/8" neck (no finish anywhere) using DiMarzio V V PU's, I love it. Mike Richardson wiring with phase I placed a PP Pot as a tone control directly across the bridge and neck PU's. In series modes, these adjust the tone of just the connected PU. The PP Pot switches reverse the electical phase of their respective PU. I did an AutoCAD drawing of a schematic using the "normal" 4-pole 5-way mega switches(wiring diagrams for the schematic-influent take too long). I also have a traced schematic of the AmDlx SSS S-1 Strat if needed (see my profile on the FDP "yetanothermidlefecrisis").
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Post by lou on Mar 8, 2006 18:05:49 GMT -5
... Guess I shoulda read further into these posts before I posted my new thread raving about Richardson's mod.
I'm just adding this post so that anyone still following this thread can jump over to the other discussion for more info this wonderful mod.
L
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Post by b4nj0 on Dec 21, 2007 20:00:30 GMT -5
Well, the Mike Richardson mod worked second time around for me ( I wired both pots incorrectly the first time around because I couldn't figure out which way up the pots were intended to be from the sketch) I triple checked the circuit on paper. I cut away the screening foil around the tone pots in case there were any ground loops but I'm not sure that this was neccesary or even advisable, it just seemed to me that one pot is across a pickup whilst the other dumps to deck in the usual way and I wanted to avoid both the pot chassis being common at all times. I left the foil under the volume pot otherwise it would not have acted as a screen. I used a Yamaha push-push tone pot. These are superb but I have wrecked two of them by forgetting to disengage the switch before removing the knob-d'oh...I have had no issues with the superswitch (having used one on a Tele 5-W mod as well) but the wiper does seem as though it is almost shorting out the contacts. Maybe others have been unlucky with poor production tolerances. There remains a possibility that the contacts are shorting onto the inside of the cavity and if screening is employed inside the wiring rout then there is another opportunity for a non functional circuit. The same goes for the terminals on the piggy-back switch on the tone pot. Mike's original circuit diagram is 100% but modders are going to have to take plenty of time out to ensure that they fully understand his thought train before even switching on the soldering iron at all. I would like to record my thanks to Mike for this mod. I scratched around for weeks with a pencil and paper trying to achieve ten different tones from the superswitch and failed to increase on 9. Mike's thinking in the way that unselected switch tags are used as junctions, is something that I would never have come up with, much less arrived at a working circuit. The icing on this particular cake is the way that the Yamaha push-push switch acts as a series><parallel in the three middle positions-so ergonomic and plain elegant. If anyone still doubts this circuit, consider the Stateside seller who is selling pre-wired assemblies of this circuit with impunity---leech! Cheers Mike, I'm gonna wire another Strat this way now.
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Post by sumgai on Dec 25, 2007 0:14:28 GMT -5
b4nj0,
I think you just took the cake! The previous record of 18 months between posts on a thread was just trounced by your nearly 21 months!
I see big things in store for you here, hope you stick around. ;D
BTW, MR hasn't been around in quite some time. Looks like I should drop him a PM, see if he's up for a little chit-chat.......
sumgai
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Post by Mike Richardson on Dec 27, 2007 15:49:39 GMT -5
It's not taboo to me! ;D
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Post by sumgai on Dec 28, 2007 1:39:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Mike!
Glad to see yer still kicking and screaming, all the way to the drawing board!
sumgai
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