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Post by cynical1 on Oct 14, 2017 15:21:16 GMT -5
A year ago I gave up a 40+ year love affair with cigarettes and switched to vaping. I haven't had a cigarette since.
Granted, it wasn't easy starting out. I tried to find tobacco flavored juice...but no one carries any. Most of the nicotine "juice" available has flavors like Mango Peach or Mocha Latte Cherry Surprise or Strawberry Custard Tart. Come one, I'm trying to quit cigarettes, not Baskin Robbins...
Anyways, I persist, because I'm really tired of that feeling in my lungs every morning that feel like the Russian Cavalry has been bivouacked on your chest for the night. The patch and gum were merely annoying speed bumps on the road to getting off the cigarettes.
I eventually figured out how to do a tobacco cold maceration and mix my own juice. I figured out the mystery behind sub ohm vaping mods and coils and finally have my nicotine addiction down to about $.89 a day including juice and coils.
So, anyone else out there vape?
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Post by sumgai on Oct 14, 2017 23:21:10 GMT -5
Never smoked a day in my life. Well, there were a few times when I was found to be in the near-presence of a non-official tobacco-like product, but I digress....
But this whole vaping thing, that's got me curious. I'm interested in seeing what kind of response c1 gets.
In keeping with the theme of this thread's originator (or his screen name, at any rate), I have to wonder.... does Big Tobacco have a horse in the race being touted as 'vape, the better alternative'?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 23:53:42 GMT -5
A year ago I gave up a 40+ year love affair with cigarettes and switched to vaping. I haven't had a cigarette since. Granted, it wasn't easy starting out. I tried to find tobacco flavored juice...but no one carries any. Most of the nicotine "juice" available has flavors like Mango Peach or Mocha Latte Cherry Surprise or Strawberry Custard Tart. Come one, I'm trying to quit cigarettes, not Baskin Robbins... Anyways, I persist, because I'm really tired of that feeling in my lungs every morning that feel like the Russian Cavalry has been bivouacked on your chest for the night. The patch and gum were merely annoying speed bumps on the road to getting off the cigarettes. I eventually figured out how to do a tobacco cold maceration and mix my own juice. I figured out the mystery behind sub ohm vaping mods and coils and finally have my nicotine addiction down to about $.89 a day including juice and coils. So, anyone else out there vape? HTC1 Classic Cyn1!! haha tell us about coils out of phase, or the various types of resistors influence the tone ehmmm the feeling Aha, so vape are those electrical cigarettes right? You put "juice" in them and then smoke this? I smoked from 1985 -> 2005 (all kinds of cigarettes + rolled ones, about 10/20 cigarettes per day), specifically to the day of Panaghia 25th August (Holy Mary name day) 2005. I had just bought a book "the easy way to quit smoking" and followed the advice. Last cigarette was on the morning of that day. The first two months after were a hell. I could not concentrate, my sleep worsened from bad to almost non-existent. But in the end it started to stabilize. The main idea in this book was : planing, and program the final cigarette on the beginning of a change of every day schedule, e.g like the beginning of vacations. To be frank, potential health issues aside, If I could keep it down to 1 cigarette per week, like my wife does, I would probably never had to quit.
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Post by b4nj0 on Oct 15, 2017 3:13:46 GMT -5
I guess "vaping" has to be better than incendiary? I smoked on and off for about 10 years, then I just stopped one day back in 1985. I don't think I smoked enough to call it an addiction so it was really quite easy for me. I used a self developed psychological argument that I kind of kept to myself. One of the best steps that I ever took. I did it for a Β£5 bet but never got paid because the guy always maintained that I'd start up again. Nope. Freedom. Cyn, this is a great step you've taken. I'm not going to get all evangelical like quitters seem to do, but I would personally be very pleased to learn that for you it's a step on the way to knocking it on the head completely, as in getting shot of vaping too. Once you are free, you'll see just how silly it all looks. Difficult I know, but let it go Bro'.
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 15, 2017 6:34:11 GMT -5
I had just bought a book "the easy way to quit smoking" and followed the advice. Last cigarette was on the morning of that day. The first two months after were a hell.That sounds like a poorly titled book.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 7:32:25 GMT -5
I had just bought a book "the easy way to quit smoking" and followed the advice. Last cigarette was on the morning of that day. The first two months after were a hell.That sounds like a poorly titled book. The book was spot on. The body gets free of the addiction in one week or so. But still there is something missing in the brain in order to concentrate, and this lasted about 2 months. I mean I used to program computers and smoking was part of the procedure. I was alone in the room, I could smoke all I wanted, my boss smoked, my colleagues smoked. But this era is gone now. There are few ppl left who still smoke.
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 15, 2017 11:24:42 GMT -5
Hmm. Let's review. 1 - The book is titled "the easy way to quit smoking". 2 - You endured two months of hell. 3 - You followed the advice given in the book. These facts don't peacefully coexist. I can imagine a three possibilities (there may be more) to reconcile the apparent disparity. 1 - The book is poorly titled 2 - Contrary to popular belief, you consider hell to be easy. 3 - You don't follow directions.
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Post by sumgai on Oct 15, 2017 12:10:13 GMT -5
Hmm. Let's review. ...... 3 - You don't follow directions. Ya know, I've always considered gd to be someone who marches to the beat of a different drummer...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 12:53:20 GMT -5
Guys, are you aware of what ADDICTION means? 2 months only with concentration problems (no gums, no patches) is NOTHING compared to what people go through to fight a REAL addiction such as smoking. Our bro Cyn1 fights this for over a year, did you read the OP? If it was SO MUCH easier, then there wouldn't be a HUGE anti-smoking market out there... It was hard for me because I was a programmer (oohmmm still am). If I was dealing with less mentally demanding tasks, i.e. a policeman or e.g. construction worker it would be MUCH easier. Yeah, after 20 years of smoke (or 40 in Cyn's case) there is no fairy or Angel that will take your addiction with all its side-effects away just because you read some book. If only it was too easy.
ReTread bro, let me guess, like SG you never was a regular smoker no? ... OR maybe you are one, but just wait for some new magical painless method to quit?
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 15, 2017 14:11:01 GMT -5
Ya know, I've always considered gd to be someone who marches to the beat of a different drummer... I wouldn't have guessed that. He seems more a Supervolt fan to me.
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Post by newey on Oct 15, 2017 22:34:07 GMT -5
I was a heavy smoker for 35+ years until February 9, 2011. To quit, I used the Rx Wellbutrin (a.k.a "Zyban"), which seemed to take the edge off the cravings a little. But it was mostly just a matter of making up my mind that I was quitting.
My son-in-law uses a vape pen and no longer smokes cigs. If I did that, I'd be back smoking a pack a day in a week's time. I was a pretty serious cigarette addict, and after trying all the nicotine-substitution methods like the patches and the gum, I realized I'd always go back to cigarettes unless I got free of the nicotine entirely.
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Post by boctok on Oct 16, 2017 5:46:29 GMT -5
The point of vaping is to drastically reduce the harmful substances that a person is inhaling. Cigarette smoke contains over 7000 different substances, slightly varying depending on brand and additives. Plus, most of these are combustion products like carbon monoxide and such. E-liquid contains four ingredients: VG (vegetable glycerine), found in many foods, PG (propylene glycol), again, found in many foods, flavorings (foods), and lastly, nicotine. The beauty is that to quit cigarettes, you can get something with a high nicotine concentration, then over time, slowly reduce the concentration until you don't need it anymore. That said, nicotine is very close in chemical composition to caffeine, and contrary to what a lot of people believe, not a carcinogen. Some of you have been able to quit cigarettes without it and that's great, but people are different and this is just one way to go about it. The OP might want to experiment with different ratios in the liquid to help with the tightness in the chest. More VG, less PG might be the way to go. Some people are sensitive to PG, which can cause tightness in the chest, muscle cramps etc. Make sure you're drinking enough water also.
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 16, 2017 19:23:36 GMT -5
I read somewhere years ago that quitting cigarettes was harder than quitting heroin. Never having tried heroin, I can't make an honest comment on that study...but I can say it was easier to quit drinking and biting my fingernails than it was to give up the smokes. Until switching to vaping the longest I ever made it was 6 weeks. After which time my ex handed me $5.00 and said go buy some cigarettes, because it seemed I was quite the a hole without them. Her words, not mine. boctok makes a good point in that you can start with a higher nicotine content and gradually lower it. I started at 6mg of nicotine per ml of juice. Sort of like a light cigarette. He's also right about the propylene glycol as well. It can be harsh, so I mix mine at about 20% PG and 80% VG. I use my own cold macerated tobacco flavor, as well as a little almond and vanilla. I will admit, for the first 2-3 weeks I was unconsciously reaching for an analog cigarette, but I wouldn't call it overbearing. I think where the vaping works over the patch or gum is that to your brain it still looks like you're smoking. Call it absurd, but I really believe this is where vaping has an edge over the other methods. You get your nicotine, it looks like smoke coming out...psychological addiction satisfied. I will say, depending on what the FDA does it may all be academic soon. HTC1
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Post by sumgai on Oct 16, 2017 20:07:13 GMT -5
Many years ago, when I was still a fledgling engineer, a vastly senior collegue told me that he smoked a pipe, not for the flavor, but because using his hands in a non-threatening fashion made him more trustworthy amongst the crowd of cigarette smokers.
It is all psychology, and some recognize that fact and use it to their advantage... some don't/can't.
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Post by gumbo on Oct 17, 2017 5:12:17 GMT -5
This IS an important thread in many ways...for probably a lot of people.. I'll leave it alone, apart from saying that I was also a 2-packs-a-day person until stopping cold turkey at midnight December 31st 1985, after about 25 years. Having tried unsuccessfully to stop at least four times, it was the only method that worked for me in the end. I carried around a pack of cigarettes and a lighter for about three months, so that I knew that it was MY decision not to start again...not just because I didn't have any. Every day I told myself that if I were to start smoking again, I would totally negate the 'credit' that I had built up, and that credit was increasing with every day. Yes, it was Hell, but it was worth it. Never will go back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 5:27:53 GMT -5
nahhhh, you just didn't follow the directions correctly, for guys like reTrEaD, superman, spiderman and ironman it would be a piece of cake
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 17, 2017 10:08:38 GMT -5
for guys like reTrEaD, superman, spiderman and ironman it would be a piece of cake Jiminy Cricket! You're damaging your credibility even further by posting a lie like that. I never once even implied quitting was easy. The book title you cited did that and I said it was poorly titled.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 11:19:38 GMT -5
for guys like reTrEaD, superman, spiderman and ironman it would be a piece of cake Jiminy Cricket! You're damaging your credibility even further by posting a lie like that. I never once even implied quitting was easy. The book title you cited did that and I said it was poorly titled. chillax obviously the book's title was spot on. www.allencarr.com/ . this book is a great success since 1985 .
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 17, 2017 12:08:17 GMT -5
Totally chill, bro. Calling your lie a lie is just stating a fact.
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Post by gumbo on Oct 18, 2017 0:34:01 GMT -5
Lemme know when you want me to start derailing this....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 6:50:53 GMT -5
Lemme know when you want me to start derailing this.... haha, if you haven't noticed this thread has turned into a troll fest already, thanks to the kind contributions of our bro reTread.
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 18, 2017 8:16:04 GMT -5
thanks to the kind contributions of our bro reTread. While I do appreciate the acknowledgement, you're being far too generous. Your faulty logic and willingness to lie did most of the work baking this cake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 8:35:03 GMT -5
thanks to the kind contributions of our bro reTread. While I do appreciate the acknowledgement, you're being far too generous. Your faulty logic and willingness to lie did most of the work baking this cake. ReTread, stop asking for more food, you got more than the average troll would deserve. Repeat your childish provocations to eternity, nobody takes you seriously.
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 18, 2017 9:04:33 GMT -5
nobody takes you seriously. I'm amused that you consider yourself an authority on the view of all others.
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Post by sumgai on Oct 18, 2017 11:47:19 GMT -5
The crap stops now, Gentlemen. Enough said.
sumgai Chief Cook and Bottlewasher
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Post by cynical1 on Oct 18, 2017 20:50:03 GMT -5
Sounds like somebody needs a cigarette...
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Post by ashcatlt on Oct 18, 2017 21:44:41 GMT -5
Back in grade school, when I first started smoking, my gym teacher told me "Winners never quit, and quitters never win," and I understand that information came straight down from FLOTUS Nancy herself, so... When we found out my first kid was on the way, my wife had one more cig and then quit for good. I tried to quit also, but that just meant I was bumming from people at work or at the bar after, which got old for everybody, so I went out and got myself one of those metal cigarette things that is often called a "one hitter" or "pinchy" and a bag of Top, and for a long time just one or two drags every once in a while was pretty okay. In fact, it helped me to appreciate the nicotine buzz a bit better. But those things are easy to lose, and anyway if you're at a party puffing away on one of those things, people tend not to share other things, IYKWIS, so now (14 years later), I freak people out with how fast I roll cigs. I have, in the past, had a couple hits from a vape, either just to check it out, or because I was in a situation where I couldn't smoke but a friend or relative was vaping. When I used to do a lot of overnight shifts where I couldn't leave the office for even a minute, I would bring nicotine gum, and I will usually pack some for a long flight or even sometimes to go to a movie theater. In really desperate circumstances, I just stick cigarette tobacco in my mouth. Before the kid, the wife and I smoked at least a pack each per day. That was back when pre-rolled were like $3/pack. Now I smoke less than a half pack a day (as long as I'm not drinking outside or driving all day), and I roll some of the cheapest tobacco I can find in big old bags, so I spend about $25 every 5-6 wks, and even at 2003 prices, this saves so much money I can't use that as a reason to quit. Besides, I really need my breaks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 2:51:18 GMT -5
Sounds like somebody needs a cigarette... I remember two of the highlights of the book. The first was a whole chapter titled "the benefits of smoking". Then you turned the page to only find a blank page! Then it said that cigarettes might help a person to calm down, only because the nervousness was due to the lack of nicotine, so effectively, cigarettes helped to solve the problems that they created in the first place!
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Post by reTrEaD on Oct 19, 2017 13:37:22 GMT -5
Back in grade school, when I first started smoking, my gym teacher told me "Winners never quit, and quitters never win," Well there ya go.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Oct 25, 2017 10:31:48 GMT -5
I quit smoking by vaping. At first, I used the medium or strong nicotine juice,and then worked down to light juice, and even started diluting the light with zero. Also, during this time, I chewed the gum, occasionally. I started going outside to vape or chew, just to simulate the 'smoke break' experience. Eventually, I got sick of the hassle of it all, and by that time, my addiction was pretty much gone, so I could quit it all.
It's been 4 years. I still crave it. Anytime I'm hanging out with smokers, and my girlfriend is not around, I make a nuisance of myself, bumming fags.
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