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Post by straylight on Jul 26, 2019 20:12:52 GMT -5
I was just about to ask a similar question. This has my curiosity though, is there a way to get regular strat configuration and a configuration with BxM and MxN Series (EDIT, said parrallel by mistake) using a super switch and a second two position switch. I have a HSS that imitates HsH which is a nice personality change, it would be nice if I could imitate HH or HSH with and SSS. So maybe
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Post by sumgai on Jul 26, 2019 20:54:30 GMT -5
.... is there a way to get regular strat configuration and a configuration with BxM and MxN parallels using a super switch and..... I think we've gotten a mix-up here in your description. Generally speaking, in NutzHouse parlance, BxM denotes a series connection between the Bridge and Middle pickups. Whereas, if we want to spell out a parallel connection, we use B+ M, for the same two pups. Fortunately, your desired Truth Table sets everything pretty much straight.... given the question marks in three of the five positions.  So the question is, do you have any preferences about those other three positions? With a SuperSwitch and an added DPDT or 4PDT, there are a lot of possibilities.  For instance, the original circuit I designed for tacobobbo had N+B and NxB on the "Up" switch position (down being "normal selections"), and OoP variations thereof thrown in for good measure. The last one? N+M+B, which is one of my all-time favorites where lots of quack is needed.  But here, before I go off the deep end, why don't you look over the Mike Richardson mod, and see what you think? (Lifted from one of the several threads on this Forum regarding this mod. And BONUS, Mike is also a member here! )  Do note that Mike did this before he became a member here, and he sort of made up his own convention for a series connection: -->. That's OK, we can live with it, 'cause we know what he meant. HTH sumgai |
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 26, 2019 23:25:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 5:22:51 GMT -5
I was just about to ask a similar question. This has my curiosity though, is there a way to get regular strat configuration and a configuration with BxM and MxN parallels using a super switch and a second two position switch. I have a HSS that imitates HsH which is a nice personality change, it would be nice if I could imitate HH or HSH with and SSS. So maybe
| mode switch UP
| mode switch Down
| 1
| Bridge
| Bridge x Middle
| | 2 | Bridge + Middle
| ?
| 3
| Middle | ?
| 4
| Middle + neck
| ?
| 5
| neck | Bridge x neck
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I like the Question.. >as i tend to read things wrong< So how i read this .. so you have "HSS" guitar .. that acts like a HSH (i am guessing the SS part is LINKED then, when in NECK position, then i would have to Borrow the TOP pickup from the Bridge to make a SH sound from Middle and Neck position) Might see if i can do that.. But your asking for a HH or HSH feel from SSS, well cant do the HH because that is 4 Pickups so to speak (classing Humbuckers [H] as two pickups and S as one) but might be able to fool it in to thinking HSH (by making Neck2Middle as neck and Bridge as Middle to give the same feel!!) I'll look in to that just because that sound like a fun thing to do. and i have a 2P2T, 4P5T switching to play with.. maybe force 2 more Push/Pull 2P2T if need it only (thinking of hiding it them with the Pots so dont add holes) The only trick is to double up a Pot and leave a hole for a Switch.. or even just have a MASTER Tone Pot. 
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Post by sumgai on Jul 27, 2019 10:23:25 GMT -5
(If anyone has this image without the PhotoBucket watermark, please let me know, and I'll edit this post to update to the mark-less version.) It gets tricky but you can see the image without the watermark if you visit the photobug-it page. Then you can download it and upload it elsewhere. (Further exact instructions followed....) Thanks, reTrEaD, that worked a treat. I'll definitely keep that how-to in mind, I'm sure it'll become necessary more often as we linger in the shadow of PhotoFuggedaboutit for some time to come. sumgai |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 16:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by straylight on Jul 28, 2019 13:27:23 GMT -5
Sorry, I had failure between brain and keyboard. Was using + and x notation correctly, said Parallel when i menas series. I already have a HSS guitar wired
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It works really well. Figured it out based on the Ibanez style HH (B, slug coils in parallel, both humbuckers, neck parallel, neck series) 5 way. I have a few guitars that do this. It's 5 immediatley useful sounds. Considering rewiring it to make it do less odd things. Two strat pickups in series have a fairly high Q, so sticking with 250k pots probably isn't an issue. Will try some bode plots of what I intend to use.
My philosophy when wiring guitars is to leave the 'home' position unchanged, which for a rock guitar means having the bridge humbucker there on position 1 whaterver else happens. This makes for less screwups on stage. I have one SSS strat. I don't use it a lot but It would be nice if it could fill in where I'd expect to have a bridge humbucker. Ideally the options would be unchanged, but wahtever's easiest to wire. I'l like it if i could make it work with a DPDT, as I already have something in the middle tone pot hole and I'm using master tone.
I figure the easy option is to rebuitd the strat as HSS, but I really like the aestetic of a strat that manages a bridge humbucker kind of sound without looking too different. I know there are options like brian may swtiching, I had a Washburn that did that a loing time ago and we didn't get on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 13:45:05 GMT -5
in Boolean N.B is AND, and N+B is OR
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 28, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -5
straylight, this may be of some interest to you: Guitar Wiring Design Tutorial: Strat-o-Various Project pt2It's a basic architecture which can be used to create choices of series/parallel (or single-parallel). The pot and/or capacitor aren't necessary but they add even more tonal choices. If you don't need any out of phase selections, Version 3 is even more flexible. I drew it with a HH as the starting point but it can easily accommodate a SSS.
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Post by straylight on Jul 30, 2019 21:54:19 GMT -5
Thanks, these are helpful. I think project N+1 just became expanding the capabilities of my HH guitars
I think I've got something that will work on the strat. Series happens in place of the two parallels, which feels less like a HH or HSH, but I can do it with switches that will fit. Looking at V3 to see if I can do something a bit closer to what I had in mind.
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Post by reTrEaD on Jul 30, 2019 22:34:31 GMT -5
straylight , one of the interesting features of these structures is that normally you would have a series combination in the "s" mode and a parallel combination in the "p" mode of the DPDT switch. But you can twist things about and connect the neck pickup's + to hot via the hot/hot pole of the selector and it will be connected in both positions of the DPDT. You can connect the + of the middle (or bridge) pickup to hot via the SL/Hot pole and it will be connected to hot only in the "p" mode of the DPDT and be open circuit (or shunted but not connected to hot) in the "s" mode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 14:44:20 GMT -5
Sorry if i poached this to post this Circuit  I did wounder if you could make a HH and SSS sound from a HSS, here using a S1 Switching and 4P5T also some how not bothering with one Pole on each switching (sounds like i cooked up tho) also added Neck and Bridge ! Both Coils of the Humbucker as a single Bridge |
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Post by straylight on Aug 1, 2019 2:52:08 GMT -5
You can do it with just a DPDT and a 4P5T. I've just rewired the HSS guitar to drop the bridge humbucker split as I wasn't using it but I'll see if I can recreate what it was doing. For me, too many combinations on one guitar and I can't rememember what they do. Now I just have the one position on the HSS guitar change so with the DPDT flipped it impersonates a HsH. Might reconsider if i can get a bridge spilt that really nails the singe coil sound.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 3:14:21 GMT -5
setup positions, i try and keep it as a standard but it can be hard.
Example the HSS to HH. a HH would have 3 way switch than 5 way, the 1st 3rd and 5th
best i could do is keep them all together 2-4 and add on the Neck and Bridge as a lot of people seem to want that.
as for remember the positions, my suggest is we shock you every time you get a position wrong. it works with MICE!
but really i am a touch typest (cant spell tho DAM IT) but i can type with speed and that is the teaching method of reaping things over and over...
aqaqaqaaqa swswswws deddededed frfrfrr and after a bit it logs in the brain, i can type words that i cant even spell some times!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 9:54:28 GMT -5
Think i got about the same design 
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So the question is, do you have any preferences about those other three positions? With a SuperSwitch and an added DPDT or 4PDT, there are a lot of possibilities. 
For instance, the original circuit I designed for tacobobbo had N+B and NxB on the "Up" switch position (down being "normal selections"), and OoP variations thereof thrown in for good measure. The last one? N+M+B, which is one of my all-time favorites where lots of quack is needed. 
