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Post by markuser on Aug 26, 2019 18:57:55 GMT -5
Is there a diagram for the Super Seven Switching with concentric vol and tone's? That way it could blend the individual bucker's volumes and tones, releasing them from their ganged operation.
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Post by newey on Aug 26, 2019 22:02:01 GMT -5
This could be done, you would just wire the concentric pots the same way an LP is wired for individual V and T controls, with each pickup's pots wired before the Super Seven switching. However, because the Super Seven scheme has series/parallel for each HB individually,as well as global series/parallel (i.e., inter-pickup),the pots will not "play well together", particularly in the series configuration. It will work, more or less, but you will have some interaction between the pots. Whether this is a deal-breaker for you or not depends on individual preference. I tend to come down on the side of master V and T for these types of wiring schemes, but variety is the spice, as the saying goes . . .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 10:09:06 GMT -5
Name how many pickups there is and all the state's you want with what. N..M..B..NN..NB.etc and we see how many we can fit in with least amouth of switching effort.
Some of the questions on guitar forums are repeated a lot (lol by the same person just reworded) and some ask a question when they have a circuit already in mind.
Now what you mean by super7switching. I've seen a SSS with lot of switching. I know I can get every state with just two switches on SSS strat type.
N,M,B,m,b,NM,Nm,Nb,NMb,NMB,Nmb,NmB etc
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Post by Yogi B on Aug 27, 2019 13:57:11 GMT -5
Now what you mean by super7switching. Presumably wolf 's Super Seven Switching. A hierarchy of three sets of binary switching for two humbuckers (six switches), plus an optional phase switch. However, because the Super Seven scheme has series/parallel for each HB individually,as well as global series/parallel (i.e., inter-pickup), the pots will not "play well together", particularly in the series configuration. If anything the controls will work better in the series position, assuming they're wired in a dependent fashion -- the trick is to ground the controls relative to associated the pickup rather directly to absolute ground.
We need to insert the controls between the 'local' switch pairs and the 'global' switch pair (because we're not directly connecting the controls to ground, placement either side of the phase switch will work) interrupting the 'hot' path between these two points, and instead for each pickup we need to have: - the 'hot' output from the 'local' switching going to both the wiper of the tone control and the clockwise terminal of the volume control;
- the 'hot' input to the 'global' switching coming from the wiper of the volume pot;
- in both cases the locations that would normally connect to ground (the tone capacitor and counterclockwise terminal of the volume control) must instead connect to the 'ground output' of the local switching. Note that these are therefore not grounded via the pot's body which, in turn, should be separately connected to 'absolute' ground.
To better visualise the above, it may help to take a peek at a version posted a short while back with two volumes: Rewiring this circuit for volume controls for both pickups (Post #75505)
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Post by markuser on Aug 27, 2019 21:48:36 GMT -5
Yes, that is the Super Seven switching. The Wolf's with 2 vols, wow. Yes, that will do the concentric volumes. Saved.
Taking the tone control off the jack. Could each of the concentric tone's + run to each vol control's center terminal then. Grounding to the respective volume pot?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 0:21:05 GMT -5
I did make a switch that is 8way N,NB,Nb, N2B, N2B,B,b and off. Now if you had two for each humbucker And another one to join them both Sadly not tested in a guitar yet. Just with a multimeter THE way the switch works it has 5 TRACKS, (designed for a Humbucker so we have North and South) N+ | Output | N- | A | S+ | B | S- | C | OUT | D | GND | E |
1) OFF . BC to E (Ground) A to D (Output) 2) N. ABC to E (Ground) 3) B. AB to D (Output) C to E (Ground) 4) b. AC to D (Output) B to E (Ground) 5) NB. B to D (Output) AC to E (Ground) 6) Nb. C to D (Output) AB to E (Ground) 7) N2B. A to B (Link) C to E (Ground) 8) N2b. A to C (Link) B to E (Ground) So both humbuckers can pick what Pickups they want and dont want then added another one of these switches TopOutput | Output | TopGround | A | BottomOutput | B | BottomGround | C | TrueOutput | D | TrueGround | E |
this now lets you Link all in any order and coil flipping all bar Neck North, need one different to the rest to make the Phase (ie if they are all out of phase then they are all in Phase)
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Post by Yogi B on Aug 28, 2019 10:00:10 GMT -5
Taking the tone control off the jack. Could each of the concentric tone's + run to each vol control's center terminal then. Grounding to the respective volume pot? That's one way of doing it, and fine providing you know what you are in for. That style of wiring (known as '50s wiring) places the tone control after the volume control which comes with the disadvantage that rolling the volume down even only a little way lowers the cutoff frequency of tone control, such that it no longer just rolls off treble but mid-range too. This was discussed on the previous page of the thread I linked, but most relevant was a link to: Modern and 50's Wiring. In this case (and in general) I strongly recommend using the modern style wiring with the tone controls connected to the volume controls' hot input terminals.
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