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Post by markuser on Sept 2, 2019 20:22:33 GMT -5
Is there a ultimate Jazz Bass wiring diagram to give the most sounds for a Fender J bass? Split phase or a nice series parallel might be the ticket to a great thumper.
I was thinking of replacing the tone control with a 12 position make 'r break varitone or something.
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Post by thetragichero on Sept 2, 2019 20:45:51 GMT -5
phase reversal won't actually thump all that much series/parallel would be nice but require some thought i prefer a blend pot instead of separate volume controls ptb (passive treble and bass) control could be nice (i have added a preamp to my basses so i can control treble and bass)
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Post by sumgai on Sept 2, 2019 23:49:12 GMT -5
Throughout the years (nearly 60 of 'em!), the Jazz Bass has had several wiring incarnations. And when the P-Jazz is thrown into the mix, we get even more options to choose from. But in my experience, the J-Bass has always had parallel wiring for one reason - two bass pickups in series will get awful muddy, and in a hot hurry! The very reason the J-Bass was created, and given that second pickup, was to give it some snap, some pizazz that single-pickup basses of the time simply did not have.
I've heard and played many a bass, and I've never been disappointed with the J-Bass's ability to snap, thump, growl, rumble, or just about any variation in between. But then again, all of that capability is dependent somewhat on the amp, and much more so on the speaker setup. Without a good cabinet, equipped with good matching speakers, you won't get diddly out of the box, no matter how much you spent for that bass guitar.
You want thump? How much weight can you cart into and back out of a gig? (Alternate question: how much beer have you budgeted for your roadies?) Because you want an Ampeg SVT-410HLF, new or used. When paired with a high-powered head, that sucker will make an audience puke at 75 feet! With a Jazz Bass - ask me how I know! (Fun fact: the HLF suffix means it has a horn, so it can do some screaming solos as well.)
Mine weighed about 110 pounds! Couldn't use it when I went over to the dark side (all MIDI gear), so I traded it in at GC for a new GR-55. My back loves me!
HTH
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 6:26:46 GMT -5
may sound slutty .. so we got 3 holes to play with .. unless you want to drill a hole in for a Jack Socket and making a new hole for control ----- would need 4 Holes for this with the Selector Switch. or could cut out the French MegaTone side of things and have Normal Tone/Volume Pots With Push pull system to bring in The Pickups
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Post by thetragichero on Sept 3, 2019 6:30:31 GMT -5
what's nice about bassists is that they're quite a bit more willing to break from tradition and try something new. to me nothing sounds like an all tube svt, but a large portion of bassists are playing mini class d heads, some small enough to fit into a gig bag. interesting body shapes/woods/etc. the newest thing is going ampless as if you're playing a venue big enough to make your svt and 8x10 a necessity, you might as well step up to real power like they'll have for FOH (thousands of watts, dedicated subs, etc), so a lot of guys are just getting DI boxes with or without amp sims in them (at church i play straight into a di box) stacked knob j bass control plate has a certain elegance to it, but all passive i find simplicity and easily repeatable settings to be best (volume blend tone)
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Post by markuser on Sept 3, 2019 12:27:03 GMT -5
My bass amp is a huge Marshall VBA400 and VBC cabinet. Not quite the SVT, but something unto its own.
My little bass amp is the GK MBE150 from circa 1989. Baddest little terror of a SS bass amp.
Ya, in around 04' I went midi too VG-99 and V bass....and V synth XT..
Blend is a nice option. 1 knob for both pickups.
Agreed bass players hang so low, often they play under the radar. While not quite feeding from the bottom, they get to make something of the experience not granted to the six strings.
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Post by sumgai on Sept 3, 2019 18:16:33 GMT -5
.... While not quite feeding from the bottom, they get to make something of the experience not granted to the six strings. Looks like someone's been ignoring Charlie Hunter..... Yeah, you counted the number of tuners correctly - that's three bass strings and 5 guitar strings. While C.H. is primarily a jazz player, he can whip out some mean blues on occasion. sumgai
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Post by markuser on Sept 3, 2019 18:35:31 GMT -5
.... While not quite feeding from the bottom, they get to make something of the experience not granted to the six strings. Looks like someone's been ignoring Charlie Hunter..... As much as he's been ignoring me.
Attention at this level of the game, is a fight to say the least. That cat can play.
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Post by markuser on Sept 4, 2019 8:36:01 GMT -5
the newest thing is going ampless The newest thing should be going topless.
It will be a sad day when the mighty stage amplifiers of the past are replaced by an I phone app.
I bet they will lose the cord too in favor of bluetooth.
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Post by thetragichero on Sept 4, 2019 9:11:24 GMT -5
removing a large low frequency-generating device from the vicinity of microphones attempting to pickup other instruments solves a host of sounds reinforcement problems
my ringing ears will tell you most of my musical career has been spent standing in front of way-too-loud amplifiers di and in-ears have slowed that a bit
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Post by reTrEaD on Sept 4, 2019 13:00:18 GMT -5
Jazz Bass ultimate control plate wiring Fender has a few varieties of control plates on Jazz Basses, depending on year and model. The simplest is a three-knob configuration (Two back-wired volumes and a master tone). There are also some 'active' models with a Blend control for the two passive pickups, a master volume, and an active buffer with three-band tone control. None of these have a pickup selector switch so adding one isn't inherently easy, in a mechanical sense. If you can find a 4P5T (or 4P6T or 4P4T) rotary switch which is small enough to fit in the control cavity, one of the holes which currently house a pot could be used for the selector. Both pickups, in-phase, and in series, isn't necessarily off the table. If you find it to be a bit too muddy you could wire it such that the series combination has a cap in parallel with one of the pickups (probably the neck pickup). Out of Phase would probably be better if you used Parallel Half out of Phase rather than a fully out of phase configuration.
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Post by newey on Sept 4, 2019 17:42:29 GMT -5
"I love it when a plan comes together . . ." This is the NutzHaus™,after all, so a 6-position rotary would be the nutzy way to go- you could do series, parallel, half out of phase (as RT suggested, with perhaps a couple of different caps to choose). But if this bass is for gigging, rotaries can be a bit fiddley to play with, trying to make a quick change- and the more positions it has, the worse that aspect becomes. So if it's for the stage, I'd say 4 throws, i.e., N, N + B, N X B, B. What say you, Markuser?
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Post by markuser on Sept 4, 2019 18:59:06 GMT -5
My current J bass varitone is based off the 12 position varitone.
Is there such a switch? A 4 way toggle? Flipping, North East South and West.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 3:21:06 GMT -5
My current J bass varitone is based off the 12 position varitone.
Is there such a switch? A 4 way toggle? Flipping, North East South and West.
What sort of values you using There is a switch called hexadecimal one I/O and four switches O/I But can be changed
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Post by markuser on Sept 5, 2019 22:08:41 GMT -5
It was solder so long ago . I do not remember.
My J bass is messed up , it came that way new in 92'. The Neck and bridge pickup have the same mounting area size. The body is a painted finish so no routing will go unnoticed. How does one fix this issue? Replace the body? What was Fender thinking down in Mexico?
I used 2x narrower neck position hot stacks .
Wired in a make or break varitone.
Hipshot Bass extender, and BassMute rig at the bridge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 4:18:06 GMT -5
Whats on the bridge I've not seen some thing like to that
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Post by thetragichero on Sept 6, 2019 8:03:45 GMT -5
i think he mentioned it was a mute i was wondering the same thing at first
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Post by markuser on Sept 6, 2019 10:07:42 GMT -5
The BassMute ? The lever has 2 levels of pad press against the strings. A mechanical palm mute. Thump thump thump..
Don't tell me BassMute does not exist anymore?
All these awesome lil deals online gone. Member the Whammy Kozzy? Or that dude that made custom Whammy bars?
The varitone was in my drawer from a previous build. I was thinking it would fit, it did. Now I am looking at adding concentric pots ? Volumes and then tone blender perhaps.
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Post by newey on Sept 6, 2019 11:51:38 GMT -5
There are several different types available, including the OEM Fender parts- Fender P-basses used to have mutes installed from the factory back in the day, as did Jaguar guitars. Not sure when they got rid of them, by the late '60s most people were removing the things, just like they removed (and usually tossed out) the P-bass pickup covers and the Tele/Esquire/P-bass "ashtray" bridge covers.
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Post by sumgai on Sept 6, 2019 23:14:34 GMT -5
In fact, on 51-57 P basses (including the earlier Telecaster Bass), the mute itself was glued inside of the bridge cover. When you removed the cover, so went the mute. However, if you wanted the cover (for looks?), you could rip out the mute, if you so desired.
From a 1952 P-Bass:
On Jaguars (and a very few other Fender models, most of them extinct and forgotten), the mute was mounted under the Bridge itself, and was selectable - on or off. If you were used to palm muting, but wanted to strum with the pick over some other area of the strings, you could flip the mute on for effect.
Here's an image:
That chrome piece that's not part of the bridge itself is mounted to the body, directly centered under the bridge. Like a Strat's bridge, it pivots on screws, and a spring holds the metal piece in one postion or the other - it has sort of a snap feel. Obviously, you push down on one side of the metal piece to make the foam strip contact the strings, and push on the other side to break the contact.
But we're talking about basses, so just ignore what I said.
HTH
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 3:22:29 GMT -5
The BassMute ? The lever has 2 levels of pad press against the strings. A mechanical palm mute. Thump thump thump..
Don't tell me BassMute does not exist anymore?
All these awesome lil deals online gone. Member the Whammy Kozzy? Or that dude that made custom Whammy bars?
The varitone was in my drawer from a previous build. I was thinking it would fit, it did. Now I am looking at adding concentric pots ? Volumes and then tone blender perhaps.
I am very much Electronics based.. where i draw circuitshave a look at the FRENCH guy i suggested, basically works off a Varitone and then adds resistance .. all doing the same thing as a Tone pot, just with a controlled value.
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