I need help about HSH with S-1 & Superswitch

[halison]

Hi all,

It's something similar to this thread... 

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/8858/help-hsh-super-switch-wiring

I've been thinking about whether it's possible to wire both humbuckers in parallel like this image, while referring to everyone's ideas.
It seems bit little too difficult for me.

I have an S-1 and a Superswitch,
If anyone with knowledge can help me out, I'd be happy.
Thanks

[newey]

halison-

Sorry, I somehow missed your post. But:

Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!

whether it's possible to wire both humbuckers in parallel like this image

The thread to which you linked has about a dozen or so diagrams in it, so I don't know to which one "this image" refers.

Also, "both humbuckers in parallel" could mean that you want to connect 2 series-wired humbuckers in parallel (like the center switch position on an LP), or that you want to connect the 2 coils of each humbucker in parallel, versus the usual series connection of humbucker coils. We'll need some clarification of exactly what you want.

A Superswitch (tell us the brand/type as some are different) plus an S-1 gives you a lot of switching options, so we may well be able to work out a scheme for you, but we will need you to clarify exactly what you want. So, please lay out what pickup combinations you want for each of the 5 positions of the Superswitch, and what the alternative combos will be with the S-1 pushed down. We can then work out whether what you want is poossible with the switching you have, and then how to do it.

[Yogi B]

Oct 6, 2022 8:18:53 GMT -5 newey said:

The thread to which you linked has about a dozen or so diagrams in it, so I don't know to which one "this image" refers.

I think proboards might have eaten the link, there is an img tag but the src is blank:

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This can happen for both image & links when Proboards thinks the URL is invalid. I think the most common reason I've been bitten by this is if the link contains un-escaped spaces.

halison, if you were trying to include a specific image, could you repost the URL as text?

[halison]

Thanks for reply newey and Yogi B

For some reason the image didn't seem to attach.
Try uploading again

I tried change the image of Ibanez by myself.

I would like to make position 4 parallel to the rear humbucker when using the switch.

[unreg]

halison, so in position 4, when the tone pot switch is up, you’d like the bridge humbucker wired in series, and have that bridge humbucker parallel your neck humbucker that’s already wired in parallel (north side of neck humb is in parallel with its south side)?


This is just a clarification for those who are talented enough to help you; I’m NOT talented enough. And, I’m just trying to understand your request myself.


FINAL-EDIT: I’m guessing your tone pot switch is used when pulled up bc the diagram only has an up arrow.

[newey]

Oct 7, 2022 5:11:38 GMT -5 halison said:

I would like to make position 4 parallel to the rear humbucker when using the switch.

Which way are you numbering the positions? Typically, we calll the neck end of the 5-way position 5, so position 4 in the typical Strat-type wiring is N + M.

But, you're talking about the rear HB- with the pot pulled up, the bridge HB is in parallel. Is that what you want/ What do you want that is different from the diagram?

[halison]

Thanks for your reply.

explain the diagram

"Switch down"
Position 1 : Neck hum series
Position 2 : Neck N and Middle parallel
Position 3 : Middle
Position 4 : Middle and Bridge N
Position 5 : Bridge series

"Switch Up"
Position 1 : Neck S
Position 2 : Neck hum Parallel
Position 3 : Neck hum and Bridge hum
Position 4 : Bridge hum Parallel
Position 5 : Neck N

It's not typical wiring for the bridge hum to be connected in parallel at Position 4 of Switch Up, so I guess I couldn't find it no matter how much I googled.

Regarding this figure, I just processed the image that appeared in the previous thread, and I'm thinking of replacing it with the S-1 switch instead of using the Push/Pull switch.

Sorry for my poor explanation.
And thank you again.

[Deleted]

I can't figure it out

Best thing I got is glue two lever switches and change the boards
4P5T+5 two throws for each of the 4 commons/poles

[Yogi B]

I don't know if there could be a better way, but the below should work:

Edit: in fact the below diagram has a mistake, see a following post for an updated version.

SPOILER: Click to show

I've only shown the switch wiring as I don't know what other controls you have, or whether you plan to use the S-1 as the volume or tone control.

Also note that I've swapped "Switch Up" & "Switch Down" — since the diagram shown a push-pull switch where down is the 'normal' position; whereas that's reversed with an S-1, up is 'normal'.

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I think there's only one coil that hangs from hot (a deselected coil that could potentially be a source of noise): B_S, this happens when B_N is selected alone. I don't see a way to eliminate this (other than splitting to B_S instead), but maybe someone else has an idea.

[Deleted]

Switch down"
Position 1 : Neck hum series
Position 2 : Neck N and Middle parallel
Position 3 : Middle
Position 4 : Middle and Bridge N
Position 5 : Bridge series

"Switch Up"
Position 1 : Neck S
Position 2 : Neck hum Parallel
Position 3 : Neck hum and Bridge hum
Position 4 : Bridge hum Parallel
Position 5 : Neck N


Switch down"
Position 1 : Neck N x Neck S
Position 2 : Neck N + Middle
Position 3 : Middle
Position 4 : Middle + Bridge N
Position 5 : Bridge N x Bridge S

"Switch Up"
Position 1 : Neck S
Position 2 : Neck N + Neck S
Position 3 : (Neck N x Neck S) + (Bridge N x Bridge S)
Position 4 : Bridge N + Bridge S
Position 5 : Neck N

I was trying to put Middle in Series with Neck/Bridge (I was looking at drawing than text sorry)

[halison]

Yogi B Thank you for thinking and drawing wiring easy to understand.

I've checked the ideas you suggested, and I'm still thinking if the series wiring for the neck pickup works.

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S-1 intends to place as a normal tone pot,
and I plan to place a second 500k tone pot with a Bass control based on this site.

tonefiend.com/guitar/two-band-ptb-tone-control-useful-easy-cheap-awesome/

I think it would be easier to control the volume pot without using a switch.
so I will put a dual 500k/250k pot or, connect a 470k resistor in parallel to a 500k pot when using middle pickup for single coil.
After using the S-1 switch, I thought about setting the volume pot to 250k when wiring as a parallel single coil, but I gave up on that for now.

If we think about that, it becomes more complicated, so I'd like to ask only about the S-1 switch for now.

Anyway, thank you again to everyone who is checking at this thread or thinking about it.

[halison]

I've tried to think based on Yogi B wiring several times, but it's difficult to think of an accurate wiring.

I still haven't got the wiring to work well with the neck humbucker as series

[Yogi B]

Oct 14, 2022 9:28:07 GMT -5 halison said:

I still haven't got the wiring to work well with the neck humbucker as series

My apologies, one of the wires I drew connected to the upper left corner of the S-1 switch was incorrect (I had both as the neck South 'positive', when one should've been neck North), the (hopefully) corrected version is below:

[halison]

Yogi B wow! Amazing! Thank you so much!

I plan to use a 500k volume pot.
so I will connected a 470k resistor to the middle pickup hot,
and connect 470k resistor to the gray part connected to I pin on the left side of the S-1 switch, it seems that I can use it to switch to 250k volume when the front is single & parallel.

I can't think of a good way to connect a 470k resistor to the rear when I use it as single.

Anyway, Thanks again
I will finish the wiring soon.
I'm looking forward!