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Post by ssstonelover on Dec 18, 2022 21:42:48 GMT -5
This is a pretty common mod and various diagrams by Fender and others are on the internet. As far as I can determine, it is not OEM but always aftermarket. If this is not correct, we can move it to the OEM diagram section. Because the switching uses a series connection, the wiring follows a bit of circuitous route in position 4 and as the "wiper" action is fairly hidden in relation to how it passes over the lugs, my redrawing of this traces the internal connections too (bottom of diagram). This additional info may be useful in case you have miswiring and need to troubleshoot, or just like to know the underpinning of the connections visually. The only other thing to point out is that the 4-way Oak Grigsby switch has a lot of throw going from position 1 to 4. You will likely need to enlarge the slot (on pickguard or Tele plate) so the switch cleanly enters each position without the lever hanging up just shy of the right electrical wiper connection. Clicking into place is not enough (and I found that out the hard way). You need the exact electrical connection and that is often past the click! A small file will take care of the issue in less than 5 minutes, so save yourself grief later on in the project. The mod should work fine with Teles (just redo the cover connection on the neck pickup so it has its own ground, and that would apply to any other SC pickup with a metal cover as well) and most any 2 pickup single coil guitar. I've done this mod using lipstick pickups, P-90s, and humbucker size P-90s.
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Post by newey on Dec 18, 2022 22:36:04 GMT -5
sumgai has the definitive version of this wiring hereFender uses the 4-way switch for its "Baja Telecaster" series of guitars, of which there are several iterations. I don't know if the Fender diagram you are using is for their Baja Tele models or not, I've never really looked at how they did it. sumgai's version is better (IMO) because it has the neck pickup alone at the top of the switch and the bridge at the low end, with the parallel and series combos in the middle. This is a much more logical switching arrangement, methinks. Also, your version above leaves the neck pickup hanging from hot when the bridge pickup is on by itself. Not really a big deal, but a potential source of noise, perhaps.
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Post by reTrEaD on Dec 18, 2022 22:45:18 GMT -5
Nicely done. This is a pretty common mod and various diagrams by Fender and others are on the internet. As far as I can determine, it is not OEM but always aftermarket. If this is not correct, we can move it to the OEM diagram section. There are at least two factory versions but neither is exactly the same as your work, so this can stay where you created it. Classic Player Baja Telecaster has the selections in the same positions of the 4-way but also has a phase switch. Custom Classic Telecaster has the selections in a different order on the 4-way: 4 - Neck Only 3 - Neck in parallel with Bridge 2 - Neck in series with Bridge 1 - Bridge only
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Post by ssstonelover on Dec 19, 2022 3:17:47 GMT -5
Hi Newey, Looks like it is another spin on the 4-way (thanks to research by reTrEaD and your Sumgai link). I based my work on a file from Fender in my files since 2017. I might have gotten it from Tele - 4Way Pickup Selector Switch, based on the timeline matching my pdf copy. After seeing the other versions, I have to say I do like the idea of putting the parallel and series modes in the middle, and if I'd seen this earlier I might have gone down that road. I've not had an issue with hanging coils on the versions I've made, but, sure if it can be avoided an still make the layout more logical, then why not.
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Post by ssstonelover on Dec 19, 2022 3:26:05 GMT -5
Thanks reTrEaD,
Great and fast research! It's great to have some alternative versions, and these without some of the confusion of having the series in the 4th position (the Custom Classic for example). I'll add them to my "library" for future projects. Very cool, thanks!
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Post by reTrEaD on Dec 19, 2022 19:00:42 GMT -5
After seeing the other versions, I have to say I do like the idea of putting the parallel and series modes in the middle, and if I'd seen this earlier I might have gone down that road. I think having the parallel and series modes in the middle is more intuitive but not necessarily what all customers will want. Some will prefer to have the two selections they use most often at the ends of the travel. That makes those selections easy to get without any thought or dexterity needed when operating the switch. You could allow your individual customers the option of telling you what sequence of selections they desire, and wiring accordingly.
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