I am new at the wiring end of the guitar world, and I need some HELP.
I have a "mim" tele, and would like to install a stacked humbucker in the bridge position. I have purchased a Seymour Duncan Hot Rail for Tele. To simply install it is no problem as a stand alone humbucker. The prob is that I would like to use the Hot Rail as a single coil as well as a humbucker. I bought a 500k push/pull pot to enable the split, but it is too deep to fit into the guitar body
I was thinking about a 5 way switch to use instead . But the wiring aspect of the push/pull and the 5 way switch escapes me.
A drawing would be greatly appreciated.
I've been to many sites and just cant seem to find the right combo or a drawing or diagram that makes sense.
Feeling frustrated and a little stupid. PLEASE HELP Thanks Rob (ELRIGATO)
Post by vonFrenchie on Jul 23, 2006 23:58:08 GMT -5
This sounds like what you want. Just use a super switch or a 4p5t switch of any kind.
You could also use that push/pull pot or a SPDT switch to select the humbucker coils and then have a 4 way switch to select Neck, Neck-Bridge Series, Neck-Bridge Parellel, Bridge The 4 wires for the humbucker are modeled after Seymour Duncan pickups so it should be the exact same as yours. Obviously the SPDT wiring can be substituted with a DPDT switch.
That superswitch might not fit in your tele either (it wouldn't fit in mine). Make sure to measure before you unsolder stuff.
I personally recommend removing a little wood from the inside of your control cavity so you can use the push/pull switch because you already got it, and those 4P5T switches won't fit (and they aint cheap, either).
Post by telebastard on Jul 25, 2006 6:51:13 GMT -5
I agree you should use the push-pull switch. It's a lot less hairy to wire than the 4P5T.
However, if the push-pull is DPDT, then I highly recommed that you have it switch the Hot Rail coils from series to parallel. Running a Hot Rail as a single coil produces a very tinny low-output sound, unless they've changed them over the last 15 years.
Running the coils in parallel keeps the output high (although not as high as series) but will give the sound more of a Tele spank, more of a single coil sound.
Post by vonFrenchie on Jul 25, 2006 12:20:57 GMT -5
series parellel does sound better. I didnt know what hot rails were (Im an emg kinda guy) but now seeing it having the two coils run in parellel is a better idea. Look in guitarelectionics.com's wiring section for that one. Its under humbucker wiring mods.
On zZounds.com under the SHR1 Hot Rails it says that they have the highest output of any duncan pickup.
And I drew that wrong... on the second pot shift the two connections over one. then it might work.
Post by telebastard on Jul 25, 2006 13:12:49 GMT -5
I didnt know what hot rails were (Im an emg kinda guy)
That all makes sense. Hot Rails are like anti-EMGs. You know how sweet your EMGs sound? Well, Hot Rails are these un-sweetened little humbuckers that will instantly overdrive any preamp into submission. When they first came out about 20 years ago, they were nasty looking black things that kinda looked like an unfinished home pickup project. It's nice to see that they've refined the appearance since. They've probably refined the tone as well which used to be like getting hit in the head with an anvil. Nasty!
Post by vonFrenchie on Jul 25, 2006 21:58:34 GMT -5
Most guitars can fit alot. The only problem is some people are uncomfortable with carving wood out of their guitar. I recommend a dremel and chalk. If you super switch wont fit in your tele put chalk on the widest parts of it and try to put it in your guitar as close as possible to where it would lay. Then take the dremel and carve at the sections in the guitar that have chalk on them. A super switch will fit in any guitar. Even this one You just have to sweet talk the guitar into making it fit.
Post by CheshireCat on Jul 25, 2006 23:38:56 GMT -5
Most guitars can fit alot. The only problem is some people are uncomfortable with carving wood out of their guitar. I recommend a dremel and chalk. If you super switch wont fit in your tele put chalk on the widest parts of it and try to put it in your guitar as close as possible to where it would lay. Then take the dremel and carve at the sections in the guitar that have chalk on them. A super switch will fit in any guitar. Even this one. You just have to sweet talk the guitar into making it fit.
Indeed, and that's where I take serious issue and umbrage.
It's fine to want to maintain the stock appearance of a guitar, but, unless we are talking about an actual '62 Strat or something, I think it's absurd to worry about "resale value" and what not. You either want your guitar or you don't. You either want it to play the way you want it, or you don't. If there is actually any investment potential in it, as measured objectively by an appraiser, then you shouldn't be touching it, but rather it should be under glass, or in a vault.
Incidentally, with that guitar you reference, it would be very easy to add a lot of extra stuff to that one. It's not hard to cram in there if you know what you are doing.
Post by CheshireCat on Jul 25, 2006 23:44:18 GMT -5
I totally agree. I wouldnt carve up one of the original LP's with the PAFs but an 80s model i could care less about. Collectors items are a totally different story.
What's especially absurd are those who worry about resale value on "retro" models. Dude!! The freaker came out in '04 or something as a replica!! Along with thousands of others. They'll be floating around in eBay like leaves in Autumn in a few years. Where's the rarity in that? Where's the exclusivity? Where's the history?
It's like "geniune" imitation leather or something.
Post by vonFrenchie on Jul 26, 2006 0:14:49 GMT -5
A "'59" Les Paul that you bought from musicians friend a month ago can be cut up with NO worries of the guitar going down in value. The guy who you would sell it to would probably never look in the cavity. He would just see that the guitar has a phase inverter and slide switch and buy it because its a "unique" "classic" Les Paul. A reissue from 1995 is still a guitar from 1995... its not one from 1965. Not even VOS guitars or guitars with NOS parts (new old stock.... old parts that havent been used) are worth as much (or will ever be unless someone cool played it and signed it) the original. Fear not chopping up your guitar. I carved extra into the cavity of my JRR without even thinking that it may be a special guitar. I must say... it is a special guitar... its the concept edition which means nothing to me.
Say there are 10,000 1959 LP's in the world... there could be 500,000 1959 LP Reissues in the world
Say there is one custom Beavis and Butt-Head Gibson Double Neck LP in the world.... you doubt me on this?
I would never chop that guitar up.
We are almost completely off the topic.... good luck elrigato with your Tele. Im envious... I want a tele.