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Post by mattmayfield on Aug 2, 2006 17:57:03 GMT -5
It's time to redo my main gigging Strat's wiring. Currently my setup is: MIM Strat, 1995 model Neck - stock SC Middle - stock SC Bridge - fullsized PAF Pro 5-way switch standard "Neck on" mini toggle Series/Parrallel bridge toggle Master Volume Neck Tone Bridge Tone (no middle tone) Roland GK-2A type wart pickup for synth My current gig, which I will have for the forseeable future, is a classic rock cover band. So I'd like to get approximations of Strat, Tele, and Gibson sounds from the same axe as cheaply as possible. One idea that struck me from reading this forum was one of these in the neck: store.guitarfetish.com/lilkiwhhuhus.htmlWith a humbucker in the neck, I'd love to be able to do: •Strat standard sounds: Neck SC, Neck SC + Mid, Mid, Mid + Bridge SC, Bridge SC •LP/SG standard sounds: Neck HB, Neck HB + Bridge HB, Bridge HB •Tele: Neck SC + Bridge SC •Good tone for Acoustic Simulator effect: All coils at once, in parallel if possible. Can anyone suggest a place to start? I can recylcle my 2 mini switches easily, and have no problem with adding maybe one other control or a Super Switch. Thanks, Matt
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Post by sumgai on Aug 2, 2006 22:19:33 GMT -5
matt, Hi, and to these here forums! It's about time another hexatonal player showed up here! There's only a few of us so far, but I keep hoping. ;D Personally? I'd s-can the whole raft of junk, and just use the GK to drive a VG-8 or -88. As you probably know (but I like to rub everyone else's face in it once in awhile), you can make one of these babies give you absolutely any sound ever produced by any guitar ever made, period. My next custom jobbie is gonna do just that - no visible pickemups at all, just a Ghost system in the bridge, and I'm off to the rodeo! YEE HAW!! Or you can pick and choose from the cornucopia of wiring diagrams in the Schematics sub-forum. We're to to help with any questions you might have about customizing any of those, or anything else you can get your hands on. sumgai
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 3, 2006 1:15:38 GMT -5
It's time to redo my main gigging Strat's wiring. Currently my setup is: MIM Strat, 1995 model Neck - stock SC Middle - stock SC Bridge - fullsized PAF Pro 5-way switch standard "Neck on" mini toggle Series/Parrallel bridge toggle Master Volume Neck Tone Bridge Tone (no middle tone) Roland GK-2A type wart pickup for synth My current gig, which I will have for the forseeable future, is a classic rock cover band. So I'd like to get approximations of Strat, Tele, and Gibson sounds from the same axe as cheaply as possible. One idea that struck me from reading this forum was one of these in the neck: store.guitarfetish.com/lilkiwhhuhus.htmlWith a humbucker in the neck, I'd love to be able to do: •Strat standard sounds: Neck SC, Neck SC + Mid, Mid, Mid + Bridge SC, Bridge SC •LP/SG standard sounds: Neck HB, Neck HB + Bridge HB, Bridge HB •Tele: Neck SC + Bridge SC •Good tone for Acoustic Simulator effect: All coils at once, in parallel if possible. Can anyone suggest a place to start? I can recylcle my 2 mini switches easily, and have no problem with adding maybe one other control or a Super Switch. Thanks, Matt Right now my UUSS is looking good, and I think MikeR is coming up with something that expects to be really cool. Here's the schematic. I'm still working on it a bit . . . in fact, I should be adding two really cool new components to it (see below), but as it is, it's pretty kickin'. With this set-up you can get everything that you outlined accept for ALL3+, which I wasn't going to use anyway. I figured ALL3> was good enough for a all three pups up (all hands on deck?) sound. Now, that said, I'm working on a rotary switch that would convert all the combos into those compound combos, by adding the missing pickup. So, iow, N>M becomes (N>M)+B, and, likewise, M+B would become (M+B)>N, and so on. In that instance, with the new switch, ALL3> would instead convert to your requested ALL3+. I'm also adding a Coil Inverter, which would flip the coils from the outer coils to the inner coils, and vice versa, so that way you can get the PRS and Ibanez combos. In addition, I'm working on a Universal Splitter, where I can split for either HSH, SSH, and SSS, using one switch with three positions (or, technically, throws). That way, I figure we reduce the number of switches and still get all the useful combos of bucker splits. I would suggest that whoever doesn't use SSH just use a gang splitter, but there's too much history surrounding SSH that I don't feel so cavalier about dispensing with it. Still, I don't want to have to worry about two splitting toggles. If I can merge them, coolio! (Incidentally, I'm challenging myself to make it bypass splitting.) So, afterthat, I think it should be completed. As it is now, however, it should give you just about everything you want. Incidentally, the Phase Inverter is global - it works for all positions and combos (short the single pickup selections, for obvious reasons). IOW, no matter what position your in, or what combo you select, if you switch on the Phase Inverter, you get OOP, regardless of position. No more having to toggle two or three different phase switches to get to it. Chesh
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Post by dunkelfalke on Aug 3, 2006 2:21:27 GMT -5
matt, Hi, and to these here forums! It's about time another hexatonal player showed up here! There's only a few of us so far, but I keep hoping. ;D i am sure if it weren't so expensive there would be more players.
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 3, 2006 4:50:46 GMT -5
matt, Hi, and to these here forums! It's about time another hexatonal player showed up here! There's only a few of us so far, but I keep hoping. ;D i am sure if it weren't so expensive there would be more players. Hexatonal or hexaphonal?
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Post by dunkelfalke on Aug 3, 2006 11:27:23 GMT -5
midi for guitars ;-)
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Post by mattmayfield on Aug 3, 2006 11:59:20 GMT -5
Holy crap Chesh, that's an elegant solution. It also looks like an ideal setup for a standard 3-SC guitar because of all the series options. I might just put that in my stock Strat, maybe sans phase inverter and coil taps. All it would take is a super switch and a 4PDT.
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Post by CheshireCat on Aug 3, 2006 12:32:18 GMT -5
Figured. Holy crap Chesh, that's an elegant solution. It also looks like an ideal setup for a standard 3-SC guitar because of all the series options. I might just put that in my stock Strat, maybe sans phase inverter and coil taps. All it would take is a super switch and a 4PDT. First, thank you. Second, well, you definitely won't need the splitters, but you'll want the phase inverter. Seriously. For one thing, that's where Brian May gets a lot of his sounds, and they crop up in a variety of other uses. Also, remember, it's a universal phase inverter, so you only ever have to turn it on or off. You either want OOP or you don't. Just turn it on or off. By all means, if you never use phase inversion, then don't include it, but I wouldn't readily discount it for fear that it would be complicated. It's not. Incidentally, you can get 4PDT toggles from AllParts.com. Chesh
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Post by sumgai on Aug 3, 2006 15:03:45 GMT -5
dunk. dunk, True, that. But eBay is your friend (except for shipping), and in the States, craigslist can be a real Gawdsend. sumgai
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Post by sumgai on Aug 3, 2006 15:09:29 GMT -5
Chesh, D@mn, I've been reading too much George Pootnik again. He's always on about hexa tonic or hexa tonal instead of hexaphonic. Richard McClish of RMC recently posted a nice little definition of the two: The "phonic" suffix pertains to a number of signals irrespectively of the number of notes, while the "tonal" suffix corresponds to a number of notes irrespectively of the number of signals. I used to be so good about this kind of thing..... really, I was, I was! sumgai
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Post by UnklMickey on Aug 3, 2006 16:10:12 GMT -5
tonal? phonal?
you say po-tay-to, i say po-tah-to.
aw snap, a tuber reference.
i hope i haven't invited another invasion.
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Post by dunkelfalke on Aug 4, 2006 2:21:58 GMT -5
True, that. But eBay is your friend (except for shipping), and in the States, craigslist can be a real Gawdsend. actually german shipping costs are perfectly sane, around 7 euros insured everywhere in germany with dhl, ups and dpd. even cheaper with hermes, but very slow then. but the prices are on average much higher.
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Post by jhng on Aug 4, 2006 5:09:49 GMT -5
In answer to the original question about HSH setups:
I think it would be quite straightforward to do a two mode setup as follows:
Mode 1 - Standard Strat with three SCs Mode 2 - Neck HB; Outer Coils in Parallel (Tele); Neck HB + Bridge HB; Outer Coils in Series; Bridge HB.
That might do the trick.
NeckSC in series with BridgeSC is very handy for heavy rock, it's thick but has a slightly scooped "heavy metal" sound (on my Strat, at any rate).
It might even be possible to add in some local series/parallel switching too.
Hastings
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 4, 2006 9:41:18 GMT -5
Reminds me of an Eddie Izzard routine: You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to, You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to, You say 'erbs, and I say herbs 'cuz there's a freaking "H" in it! I found a most suitable guitar for all of this demented rewiring compulsion (I suffer from it in a major way). Found as in I had forgotten that I had bought it. It's called a Godin xtSA. It runs about $730 (local shop) to $940 (Musicians Foe). It has the RMC Hexaphobic (fear of modeling, sorry, couldn't resist) pickup as well as hum/single/hum magnetic pickups. (I think that I have a VG-88 somewhere....) Wow, I could get really demented here since it already has a front surface "switch rash". www.godinguitars.com/godinxtsap.htmHey Chesh, it's already got a battery in it!!!!!! www.godinguitars.com/xtsa05.pdf"Magnemania hits Route 88." "Osteoneurosis", fear of bone disease. "Loomaphobia", fear of being denied emergency room treatment for having holes in yer underwear (didn't yer mother alway tell you to....).
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Post by mattmayfield on Aug 4, 2006 11:51:39 GMT -5
Chris,
I used to have an LGX-SA for my MIDI stuff - the same as the XT but HSS for the mag pups - and it was very very nice.
As you may have noticed, there is very little room in the electronics cavity for anything but the circuitry that's in there. The piezo pickups, in order to provide their "acoustic" and 6-signal split sounds, use a preamp that takes up a huge amount of space.
I had to replace a scratchy volume pot on mine (eBay is not always your friend...) and the only replacement I could find locally was a push/pull. Without even wiring the switch part, I barely could fit it in there.
So, a headsup, if people want to do mods that take up lots of space, you may need to use a router.
Matt
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Post by ChrisK on Aug 4, 2006 23:34:53 GMT -5
Mine seems to have enough room for a 4P5T Super-switch and one of my favorite Grayhill mini-rotary switches. And, being true to the reality that there isn't any "magic wire", #28 AWG solid wire wrap wire can be used for most of the switch wiring.
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Post by mattmayfield on Aug 5, 2006 1:57:34 GMT -5
Chris, Very cool! On my LGX I just remember barely being able to cram that pot in there. I think the cavity was both narrower and shallower... or maybe I'm mistaken. Who knows? Matt
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Post by vonFrenchie on Aug 6, 2006 19:07:17 GMT -5
even cheaper with hermes, but very slow then. Isnt Hermes supposed to be the messanger of the gods. Invertor of racing and fire. Its pretty funny, a slow delievery service named after one of the fastest Greek Gods. No Fedex in Germany?
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Post by dunkelfalke on Aug 11, 2006 4:37:34 GMT -5
yep, pretty ironic. and no, no fedex afaik, but lots of others.
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