(2)HB (2) push/pull (1)3-way Need help and ideas

[darkcyde]

I bought a pretty ragged out 70'sLotus (wannabe LP) because I wanted to set up an a guitar for mainly blues and jazz. I stripped it to just the neck & body and have been buying parts to make what I hope is a really nice guitar when I am finished (will post pics when its done this week) The stock pickups sounded closer to what I was looking for sound wise then the Duncans that I purchased for it. After I desided to stay with them, I needed to covert them to 4 wire from 2. I also bought two 500k p/p audio tapers and was wandering what I can do with this with what I have now?


Thanks in advance!!![/b][/font]

Parts list so far:
[Electronics]
(2) 500k ohm Push/pull Audio tapers
(2) Stock lotus Humbuckers converted to 4-wire
(1) 3-way Sealed LP clone switch
[Hardware] ------------------------------------------ COLOR:
Schaller Fine-tune Tailpiece___________________(Gold&Black)
Wilkinson Locking Roller Bridge________________(Gold)
Sperzel 3x3, 2-tone Locking Tuners_____________(Black&Gold)
Hipshot O-Ring Solid Metal Guitar Knobs_________(Gold)
Schaller Straplocks___________________________(Gold)
Allparts Pickup rings, angled metal (LP style)______(Gold)
Etched metal neck plate w/ Ankh symbol_________(Black&Gold)
Switchcraft phono jack, female_________________(Gold)
Allparts square jackplate______________________(Gold)
Handcarved oak truss-rod cover________________(Oak)

[ChrisK]

I would suggest (if you haven't already done so) to exhaustively read the Schematics thread a'post here, the Seymour Duncan wiring stuff on their site, and any other wiring site that you come across.

It might be nice to get a clue about which lake or species of fish that you might want to pursue.

Depending on what you want to do, the Lotus humbuckers may not need conversion to four wire, but only to three wire (the third wire is the tap between the coils), or perhaps only one needs to be converted. If you want to do phasing on one pickup, shielding changes within will be an issue.

Also, the three-way LP switch object is meaningless since no positional switching info can be gleaned from it.


With the three-way switch, you can select one of three things. These most likely are either pickup and both.

With each push-pull, you can select between two things. These most likely will be series/parallel intra-pickup, series/parallel inter-pickup, and phasing.


Otherwise it's a nice drawing and I applaud your effort.

[darkcyde]

First off I would like to take the time to point out a few things

1. I have spent over 4 days reading tons of scats for different wiring ideas as well as looking here in the scat section. If I could tell what the outcome in sound would be by looking at the Schematic, I would have wired already.

2. I find it odd that the last 3 times I have asked for help here all I get is blown off.
This guy guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=wiring&action=display&thread=1163114202
20 freakin post in just a few days with many ideas of things to try.
Everything short of sucking his dick went into solving his request

My last 3
well lets see there was the one for the Ibanez. I spent 6 days trying to find that scat. I ended up finding it on my own. Geez it was only a stock one I was looking for.

The one before that was also the Ibanez when I bought the parts to upgrade it I tore it down and then waited for months for an answer. I then went looking for the stock one above so that I could at least use it again.

This last one I state that I am looking for a jazz blues sound. I layout the parts in paint and sit back and wait for my great help, what do I get in return
read the fg manual.

THANKS! really helpful guys! I am not sure what I looking for in a wiring concept. That is why of course I asked in the first place.


It doesnt seem to stop me from looking on the net for hours for scats for people on here that need them but when I need help I get blown off with smart assed remarks about my drawing. In either case I am out of here. Please take this lame butt post and delete it as well as my account. I am only sorry that I put my time in helping others with all I have received in return.

[UnklMickey]

hi Darkcyde.

i have spent COUNTLESS hours over the last 2 years helping people, and trying to enable them to help themselves.

i have NOT ONCE asked for anyone's help, other than to clarify a detail on a product, or ask general opinions on matters of taste and preference.

do i feel like GN2 owes me something for my efforts?..............no.

do i owe YOU something?

you have had the misfortune of being passed over for some help you needed.

get over it. sh1t happens.

i've been rather busy with other things lately, and will probably continue to do so for a while, so i likely won't have time to help you anyway.

if you think that being jealous and insulting people:
"Everything short of sucking his % went into solving his request"
will inspire them to take a greater interest in your project?.....well, lemme know how that works out for you.

evidently you and Chris aren't exactly speaking the same language, but that's no reason to call his remarks "smart assed".
if you understood what he was saying, you'd realize he was making a constructive criticism. if you didn't understand, a question from you would be appropriate.



let me give you a clue, as to how on-line help works:

1 - you try to be as plain and simple about what you are trying to ask/do.

2 - realize that nobody wants to take a thousand word essay on what you are trying to accomplish, invest hours of thought, and hand you back a finished product.

3 - recognize that the process is essentially a conversation. you need to lay the groundwork for that, both on the technical level, and on a personal level. if you have to work at it for a while, to find a method of getting your ideas across, and making others at ease with you, as well as interested in entering into the conversation, accept that as being a worthwhile effort.

4 - sometimes things don't work out as well as you want. he||, sometimes the damned wheels fall off the truck.
and it can happen repeatedly. Murphy's Law and all that.

5 - if you think someone has just dismissed you with a "smart assed remark" ask for clarification. chances are, you'll save yourself from looking like a whiner. if it turns out for certain, they were diss-ing you, then they'll look like the jerk when you point out how harsh and/or rude they were.

6 - remember, that any help you get in places like this, comes from people who are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. they don't OWE you ANYTHING. (except MAYBE the ones you've previously helped -- if you want to call in your markers, take it up with them specifically, don't lay a trip on the community at-large.) if you keep that part in mind, you will be in a better frame of mind to receive help from those who can, when they can.

"I am only sorry that I put my time in helping others with all I have received in return. "

i have put somewhere between fifty, and a thousand times as much time into helping others here as you have.

i'm not at all sorry about that, because i got out of it, exactly what i expected..................the opportunity to help some people who needed my help.

/sermon



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[sumgai]

The above post amply demonstrates why the Administration lets unklmickey speak in its stead.

Policy is.


sumgai
Administrator

[JohnH]

Well, when dc asked help finding an ibanez diagram, he found it himself within 41 minutes after posting. So no responses were likley there. As for the rewiring on this thread, although the effort of starting a diagram is comendable, it is not all that helpful without some idea of what outcome is wanted - its just a box of parts with a request to 'make a guitar out of that'. Hence directing towards other designs is the only likely response, in order to see what appeals.

John

[ChrisK]

Uh, OK.

I bought a pretty ragged out 70'sLotus (wannabe LP) because I wanted to set up a guitar for mainly blues and jazz. I stripped it to just the neck & body and have been buying parts to make what I hope is a really nice guitar when I am finished (will post pics when its done this week) The stock pickups sounded closer to what I was looking for sound wise then the Duncans that I purchased for it. After I decided to stay with them, I needed to covert them to 4 wire from 2.

You posted this in the Electronics and Wiring thread indicating that you want to play blues and jazz. Blues and jazz have been played on virtually every type of guitar made, so more “guidance” is needed.

You bought Duncan pickups (type unspecified) and prefer the stock pickups. In addition to the stock pickups, you have a "3-way sealed LP clone switch" (functionality unspecified).

Your drawing (which I DO like) shows the pickups, but one must guess as which one is the bridge and the neck. You show magnetic polarity which might indicate that you have a magnetic polarity tester. If so, great. The push-pull pots are self-explanatory, but the "3-way sealed LP clone switch" is not. Which terminals are connected by each switch position (you need to tell us this).

You have not specified the body and neck wood types, which do affect tone.

I also bought two 500k p/p audio tapers and was wondering what I can do with this with what I have now?

You acquired two 500 K Ohm push-pull pots.

You want to know what you can achieve with “all of this stuff”.


I posted the following:

I would suggest (if you haven't already done so) to exhaustively read the Schematics thread a'post here, the Seymour Duncan wiring stuff on their site, and any other wiring site that you come across.

Your request for a blues or jazz sound is vague to me at best, and I would like to know what you might think would be of interest. Please note that I suggested the above "if you haven't already done so".

It might be nice to get a clue about which lake or species of fish that you might want to pursue.

Ok, it’s a cute attempt at some humor thru the use of a model. Since I don’t know you well or the level of your skills, and wanted to find a common point of reference, we needed to stat the process of narrowing things down. (You must understand that I haven’t (and generally won’t) read all of your previous posts prior to starting a response thread.)

The only applicable specificity that I could glean was the following”

You have a guitar of unspecified wood types,
You have two unspecified humbuckers that you want to convert to four-wire,
You have two 500 K Ohm push-pull pots, and
You have a "3-way sealed LP clone switch" (functionality unspecified).

I need some more guidance/clues on what you want. Since you later posted that you’ve “spent days” scouring schematics, one might presume that you’ve also read text relating to the realized sounds.

Depending on what you want to do, the Lotus humbuckers may not need conversion to four wire, but only to three wire (the third wire is the tap between the coils), or perhaps only one needs to be converted. If you want to do phasing on one pickup, shielding changes within will be an issue.

This is a statement about the probable scope of work needed on the pickups themselves, and some possible reductions thereof.

Also, the three-way LP switch object is meaningless since no positional switching info can be gleaned from it.

This is a request for specificity that WILL be needed later.

With the three-way switch, you can select one of three things. These most likely are either pickup and both.

This is a general indication of what one can do/usually does with this type of switch.

With each push-pull, you can select between two things. These most likely will be series/parallel intra-pickup, series/parallel inter-pickup, and phasing.

This is a general indication of what one can do/usually does with this type of switch.

Otherwise it's a nice drawing and I applaud your effort.

Again, I DO like your drawing. (Did I mention that I liked your drawing?)


So, it might appear that I was starting a dialog (a conversation, if you will) to glean a better idea about what you want.

If you think that this board is a group of folk who have nothing else to do other than to help some folk (well, most actually) and spite others, you’re mistaken. The lack of response to posts often means that either the request is so vague that others are hesitant to commit the time wending things down, or so obvious that it must be something else.

If you think that folk here are going to blindly generate all possible permutations of two pickups, two push-pull pots and a three way switch and just post them, you’re somewhat out of your mind. (BTW, I posted above all of the things generally possible with your mentioned kit anyway.)

Thanks again for the welcome, I am glad I found this place, I have been building guitars on and off for about 15 years now and have never had a place (or group of people) to bounce ideas off of before. I really enjoy this board

You posted this some time ago. Apparently either we’ve all conspired to spite you or you’ve changed.

You might have noticed some banter between folk aboard. This occurs as we’ve gotten to know each other. We still have out moments of flare up, but we coexist. Your previous posts indicated a generally good inter-relationship with others aboard.

If I’ve offended you with something that I posted, I apologize.

If I’ve offended you with something that I posted that you’ve misread, I still apologize.


However, your email address in your profile, if it’s what you originally had entered, does get you BANNED.

If you’ve recently added it as a going away/pouting present, it gets you BANNED PERMANENTLY.


If someone starts acting goofy, it’s probably them.

If everyone starts acting goofy, it’s probably you.


I generally don't subscribe to conspiracy theories.

It is highly unlikely that anyone gives enough of a flying fart about any of us anyway to even bother with a moment's consideration thereof.