kawliga
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Post by kawliga on Jun 3, 2007 9:08:13 GMT -5
hey there i hope someone can help me, I'm sure this question isn't too difficult. i have a nashville 3 single coil telecaster. i have put the Seymour Duncan antiquity 1 bridge and neck pickups in there with the stock strat pickup in the middle pickup in there. I'm looking to replace the middle with a antiquity texas hot pickup. i just don't know about some of the technical stuff with pickups. the neck pickup is wound top going and the polarity is north and the bridge is top coming with south polarity. the texas hot I'm looking at for the middle is a top going with a north polarity, available in a reverse wound reverse polarity. just wondering if these pickups will work with this middle one and if i need the rw/rp middle and really any info yall can give me would be a great help. thanks. Shane
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Post by michaelcbell on Jun 3, 2007 11:33:07 GMT -5
Welcome to the boards, kawliga. I'll be glad to answer your question to the best of my knowledge:
While I'm unfamiliar with the "top going and the polarity is north" and "top coming with south polarity" terminology, if I'm reading it correctly it means the neck is normal wound and the bridge is reverse wound reverse polarity (RWRP), giving you a humbucking combination when both are selected together. Here's your problem: according to the Fender site, your nashville tele has standard "strat-o-tone" switching, which means that you've got all three single coil sounds, neck&mid, and mid&bridge as your five combinations. With your bridge and neck pickups having opposite windings and polarity, there's no way to keep humbucking in both the neck&mid and mid&bridge positions.
My suggestion: decide which of the N/M or M/B positions is more desirable to you and re-wire the guitar (very simple soldering job) so that the non-humbucking combination isn't accessible.
How your pup selector is wired now: 1- Neck 2- Mid 3- Bridge giving you: pos1:B pos2:M/B pos3:M pos4:N/M pos5:N
If you want N/M, wire it like this: 1- Mid 2- Neck 3- Bridge giving you: pos1:M pos2:N/M pos3:N pos4:N/B pos5:B
If you want M/B, wire it like this: 1- Neck 2- Bridge 3- Mid giving you: pos1:N pos2:N/B pos3:B pos4:M/B pos5:M
Let me know if you need any clarification or you have any other questions.
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 3, 2007 14:43:09 GMT -5
michaelcbell is correct. While a lot of statements are made about which way the winding was started on a pickup, the leads from most coils can be easily reversed in wiring. That is all we need to know about winding direction. Therfore, the only thing that really matters for hum cancelation is the magnetic polarity. For a humbucking combination, the magnetic polarity must be different for each of the 2 coils (and we can reverse the coil lead wires at will). When you replaced the bridge and neck pickups with an Antiquity set, these were Reverse Winding Reverse (magnetic) Polarity with each other since Tele's normally only have 2 pickups. The MIM Nashville Tele is indeed Strat-like in pickup magnetic polarity. You indeed have some choices to make. I have a MIM Deluxe Nashville Power Tele and am considering using two neck pickups since the body has a pool rout and I have many Tele pickups. guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=1138841439
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Post by kawliga on Jun 3, 2007 15:43:56 GMT -5
OK thats what i was thinking, that i could get one hum canceling position and not the other. i still have the strat switching right now with the stock middle pickup. its in the middle-neck hum canceling position. i think ill get the rw/rp so i can cancel the hum in position 2, the neck is quite quiet on its on (i assume its the metal cover or my pickup cavity and pickgaurd shielding). i have a pull on switching pot i might throw in to get the neck bridge combo and have the other ones too, haven't really decided on that yet though.
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Post by michaelcbell on Jun 3, 2007 20:18:41 GMT -5
Sounds good. Let us know what you decide to do and if you need/want/will accept any help, feel free to ask!
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Post by kawliga on Jun 3, 2007 22:49:16 GMT -5
thanks guys
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Post by kawliga on Jun 4, 2007 21:38:20 GMT -5
OK boys I'm back, wired up my telecaster so i could try out the neck and bridge together
1- bridge 2- bridge neck 3- neck 4- neck + middle 5- middle
the bridge and neck sound amazing together, Ive never had a different telecaster, its my really first electric guitar and i love those pickups together. i looked on the fender site and realized i had the middle wired back wards before, yellow on ground and red on switch. so i also changed that. now i have found that before the neck and middle were hum canceling and sounded good, now they sound terrible together very thin and quiet. but good on their own. just wondering about switching the middle wire back the way it was and what made the difference.
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 4, 2007 22:02:35 GMT -5
;)That would be the tone that's known as....the Tele! Welcome a'plank (the Tele). You now have them electrically out of phase. The common frequencies cancel each other. OOP in parallel is sick (in the correct usage of the term). You might try parallel half OOP by connecting one of the pickups thru a 0.001 to 0.022 uF cap in series with it (it actually is somewhat half out of phase due to the pole (as in poles and zero's) caused by the cap). Better (much) yet, is to try series OOP. Here's an interesting wiring scheme that will work in the MIM Nashville Tele (drill an additional hole for the extra tone control, you gots room on the plate). Note that it does bridge in parallel with neck as well as bridge in series with neck. Combo's (+ is parallel, * is series) 1. Bridge 2. Bridge + middle 3. Bridge + neck 4. Middle + neck 5. Neck 1. Bridge + middle + neck 2. Bridge * middle 3. Bridge * neck 4. Middle * neck 5. Bridge * middle * neck (this one gets real interesting). The top part is a schematic, the bottom part is a wiring diagram, and the right side is a proof of combos. guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=1153172741It lives here: guitarnuts2.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&thread=1144693179Three push pull pots and a 4P5T Super Switch; The volume pot is the mode control, each tone control reverses the phase of its respective pickup and is wired directly across said pickup (real neat things happen when in series with this). Although I've design a fair number of slightly interesting wiring schemes, for a three pickup Strat-type guitar (and the MIM Nash), this remains my favorite. The combo's are easy to remember (positional logic is) for both modes and there are no dead settings for WHEN one "misses a shift".
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Post by kawliga on Jun 6, 2007 22:29:26 GMT -5
that is quite the wiring set up. would Have never came up with that. looks a bit More the im looking to do right now, i ordered my middle pickup today and some other new parts (soon wont be much left of the original guitar parts, pretty much the wood) I'm gonna play around with a pull pot on the tone control to turn something on (haven't decided what I'm gonna do yet) but thanks alot for that I'm bookmarking that for future use
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