Lace Hemi w/vol no tone schematic needed

[singlehum]

I'm having troubles. I have never pretended to be a guitar hotrodder. I do very well indeed with the hardware but have troubles with wiring. The Lace site was NO help to me.


I want to wire up a Lace Hemi HB with a 250 vol pot and NO tone control [Ala: Edwardo]. No fancy switching, just straight ahead power.


I have it in the guitar and have it all ready to go. I have everything I need except the know how.


Help

[JohnH]

Hi singlehum and welcome to GN2.

Seems like a nice simple request. Just follow this Lace LP diagram:

www.lacemusic.com/wiring/pdf/6.pdf

And white-out everything on it except one pup and its connections to its volume pot.

Green to back of pot, orange to pot outer hot lug, and two wires soldered and taped togther as shown.

Then connect the jack socket ground to the back of the volume pot and tip to the volume pot centre lug. Also connect a wire from the bridge ground to the back of the volume pot.

cheers

John

ps - does anyone else think Lace are showing the bridge and neck pups in mixed up positions?

[singlehum]

I thank you JohnH for the welcome and the advise. I didn't see that particular schematic but it was what i was initially looking for. It says a 500K pot is better for tone but I have read otherwheres that it's not a must. That, and GC only had this 250K.

This pickup is in a single Hum/Floyd guit I just built. Typical Charvel/Kramer thing so I went with the simple type rig. I have other guits with complicated [to me] wiring. This is simple entry level stuff so I should be able to handle it [albeit with help from you kind sir].


I'll post a result of course.




Thanks


Bob F [aka: singlehum]

[singlehum]

Much success and happiness!!!!!!!


I thank you for dropping the knowledge JonhH.


BTW, I read that a 250K pot is not as bright with HB's. However, I am not running a tone so it should be fairly OK eh? I tend to like a darker tone so I'm OK with that portion. I just don't want to rob myself of useful tone. I'm not hearing any difference out of my hotrodded Carvin V3 or my Mark III.



Thanks again.


singlehum

[JohnH]

Thats great! - all fixed and I havn't even had breakfast yet.

I think you are right about the 250k pot. Just one of those with no tone pot will sound very similar to the usual 500k vol and a 500k tone, with tone maxed. With the 250k volume, you'll also have an extra advantage of less dulling of the sound due to the cord to the amp, as you turn the volume down.
John

[sumgai]

John,

Lace's diagram doesn't actually label the two pickups, even though the rest of the parts and pieces are nicely called out. Can't call them wrong, on that account. But I agree with you, if one were to treat the drawing as if it were an assembly diagram, then several things are "out of kilter", and likely to confuse the novitiate reader.

Ah well, that's what we call Job Security, eh? ;D


..................


Did you or anyone else happen to notice that the text accompanying the diagram specified that

All Lead wires are on the same side as the high “E” lead string.

No wonder I haven't been able to play any leads during my long career - all I've had were obviously unlabled Rhythm strings! Drat, now I've gotta google for special Lead Strings........

<mouse smokes from furious clicking, browser locks up from all the bits being displayed, user buys more stock in Rogaine......>




sumgai, the Lead String seeker

[wolf]

Yeah but Lead (Pb) strings must sound awful. Lead is too malleable to produce any sharp resonant tones. Plus there are the dangers of lead poisoning. I suppose I could make 1 string out of solder and see what that sounds like.

[ChrisK]

Yeah but it'll have to be an acoustic guitar since magnetic pickups won't be involved, as the lead string is not "feral" enough.

[singlehum]

Guitar tuned, lead strings installed.


Really heavy, like a really heavy thing.


I like Maj 3rd down tuning but this is crazy!!



Muchas Gracias for all the love.


singlehum

[singlehum]

Man O Man!!!

I am loving the tone. But after a while I was kinda like, "Geez, this is pretty bright and it is a little noisy".

I am in Single Coil mode!!!!!


What the website does not mention is that there are 2, count em, 2, green leads of this pickup. 2 plain green wires coming out of the the pickup. Which I have going to the ground on the back of the pot. So now begs the question.


Which one is the culprit? I'm also having a slight grounding issue. I touch the bar or strings it gets single coil 60 cycle hummish. I let it go, it goes, brzzzzzzzzzz!!!! Not overtly loud, but it's not grounded adequitely. My gear is all properly grounded before you ask.


Maybe I'll stick a DiMarzio in there.


I will say this. The tone is drop dead gorgeous.


I'm gonna e-mail Lace with this thing.


singlehum

[wolf]

For one thing is that a humbucking pickup?
You stated you have a Lace Hemi HB.
Here's how Lace Music
describes it:

Serious Vintage humbucker and single coil tones combined.

The Hemi™ is perfectly blended, it easily transition into, fat soulful vintage blues, classic rock, heavy metal, jazz or country. This new Hemi Humbucker set is one of a kind, due to its single coil, humbucker style components.

Loud output Vintage Humbucker with a perfect dose of sparkle, glass, bell tones while maintaining lots of that very cool fat Humbucker quality!

Vintage gauge coil wire, with our barium ferrite "HOT" Magnets, standard on our own Lace Cybercaster.

It seems that they have some single coil pickups in a humbucker sized "package" such as the
Alumitone

Could that be something similar to what you have?
Their site doesn't have any wiring diagrams for the Lace Hemi HB.
If you are going to E-Mail them, please ask for an explanation of the wire codes.

By the way, doesn't the description above seem like the way in which every pickup company describes all their pickups?
"We made it loud yet quiet at the same time. Perfect for heavy metal, garage rock, jazz, classical, opera, Magyar-Croation folk music, etc.