boostdemon
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 1, 2008 21:11:06 GMT -5
Hello folks, first post after doing a bunch of reading on here. I am hoping someone might be able to untangle my brain on this one: What im looking to do is take an HSH setup with a push/pull pot for neck-on plus an output momentarty normally open killswitch/button and add the option to have it flip off the neck bucker when the neck-on is engaged. I'll rewrite it more simply just incase my confusion is rubbing off... switch is on bridge p/u.. pull up the pot to switch on the neck pickup as well... now my killswitch momentary button can kill the neck sound when pushed. so instead of killing all sound, im "flicking" the neck on/off My setup is as follows just in case it comes into question:MIM fender strat... neck= SD '59 SH-1n (2 wire hum) mid= SD Alnico II pro (2 wire single, RWRP) bridge= DiMarzio X2N (4 wire hum) 2x 500k DiMarzio pots 1x 500k Dimarzio push/pull pot stock fender cap (between tone pots says something like: iR MOR #22K 250H? i cant really read the print on it - i should probably get a bigger one?) 5-way fender switch this is the diagram im starting with for layout from seymour duncans site... but with humbuckers and using the neck pickup: www.seymourduncan.com/support/schematics/schematics.php?schematic=switch_f_bpAny pointers would be greatly appreciated -Dana |
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Post by sumgai on Mar 2, 2008 19:24:55 GMT -5
bd, Hi, and welcome to the NutzHouse! ;D Let me get this straight...... you want the kill switch to operate in two different ways: When the Neck-on switch is "Off", all sound output is killed, or When the Neck-on switch is "On", only the Neck sound is killed. Is that about it? If so, then there's a problem........ You've said that you're using a momentary contact N/O switch, presumably for grounding the hot lead of the output jack. Also, your linked diagram shows that all the pickup combinations are in parallel, the usual Strat configuration. Well, that means that if you select the Neck-on, and then ground that pup's hot lead, all the other selected pups are also gonna have their hot leads grounded, ergo..... no output. The hot leads are all in parallel, remember?  In short, as requested, there's a fly in the ointment.  Essentially, to get what you want, you'll have to purchase a momentary contact N/C switch for your kill button. We can then hook it up to eliminate either everything (push-pull down) or just the Neck (push-pull up, Neck always on). HTH sumgai |
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 3, 2008 0:55:16 GMT -5
Like this?  I think it should be obvious that you won't actually want to mount the momentary switch in that physical position... I would expect the effect of this wiring to vary greatly depending on environment, at least with the neck-on off. Some places it would go dead silent when the button is pushed. Other places you might get some CB radio or baby monitor or something. That could be cool! You might could do crazy things with an AM transmitter connected to a synth or some whacky samples or something. |
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Post by sumgai on Mar 3, 2008 3:55:01 GMT -5
ash, Errr, not to belabor the obvious, but whachu bin drinkin' there, gud ol' buddy? You disconnected the main feed to the volume "hot" terminal, and replaced it with a switched feed. When the push-pull switch is in normal position (neck is not always on), there's no feed to the volume control at all! I guess that'd be called a permanent kill condition, no? Back to the CAD machine for you!   sumgai |
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 3, 2008 13:25:02 GMT -5
Actually, I think the problem might be that I was sober when i drew it. I guess I misunderstood the representation of the switch. Seems obvious now that the "commons" would be in the middle. Don't have time to redraw it right now, but I think it would work if that were, in fact the case. That is, swap the connections between middle and bottom lugs on both sides. |
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 4, 2008 0:24:39 GMT -5
sumgai - yup, you got it - and explained much better than i did lol. Now the NC momentary would require a second switch to "activate" it otherwise i would have no output unless it was depressed? ash - so something like this? sorry my doodling is a bit messy  |
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Post by ashcatlt on Mar 4, 2008 0:51:56 GMT -5
That's what I had in mind, saved me a trip to PhotoPaint land.
I can name a number of genius artists who would have no output unless they were depressed...
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 4, 2008 2:22:11 GMT -5
lol nice one
i am still trying to trace the circuit & cut for each and im not sure that will work will it?
normal selector options.
normal + killswitched (all output)
neck-on option.
neck-on + killswithced (neck p'up only)
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Post by sumgai on Mar 4, 2008 15:51:12 GMT -5
What happens if you set the Neck-on to "on", and the 5-way to Neck + Middle? You guys are on a one-track mindset here..... Clue: the pup's hot lead can't be tied to both the 5-way selector switch and the kill switch..... (I'm trying to goad you guys into getting this done so I don't have to do a bunch of cruddy-looking mods to an otherwise nice drawing. But yes, I do already have the solution. ) and ash? That funny about depressed artists? Sheer genius! +1! sumgai |
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 5, 2008 0:11:17 GMT -5
i have drawn soooo many diagrams trying to figure this one out (you should see my notebook lol).. this is the latest i've come up with: let me know where the problem is...   |
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Post by sumgai on Mar 5, 2008 13:44:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]WINNER![/glow]
DING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!
bd, your diagram is the mirror image of mine, I left the pup's hot lead selector on the same side as the original, but other than that, your diagram matches mine. It'll work as advertised, if you can procure a momentary contact N/C pushbutton switch. (Or a mini-bat handle toggle, should you prefer that style instead.)
Let us know you you like the results of your hard-won fruits.! ;D
sumgai
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 5, 2008 15:17:59 GMT -5
cool ;D
Yeah now i just need to find a button. I'll post up some MP3's once it all done. Only other change to that diagram is i've got the tone pot over 1 so i have bridge tone control... and my bridge pup is 4 wire.
thanks for your guidance!
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Post by studentaccount1 on Mar 5, 2008 16:47:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] WINNER![/glow]
bd, your diagram is the mirror image of mine, I left the pup's hot lead selector on the same side as the original, but other than that, your diagram matches mine. It'll work as advertised, if you can procure a momentary contact N/C pushbutton switch. . .
Any recommendations on where to get one of those? |
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Post by sumgai on Mar 5, 2008 17:29:31 GMT -5
studie, Hi, and welcome to the NutzHouse! ;D Vetco Surplus?These guys are just down the street from me. ;D They'll ship wherever FedEx goes, but they have a "Low Order Fee" of 7 bananas. If that does not meet with your approval, then ask me to get it for you, and I'll USPS it to you for cheap.* HTH sumgai * PayPal would be the preferred method of exchanging gilders from your hand to mine. |
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Post by boostdemon on Mar 5, 2008 19:30:30 GMT -5
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Essentially, to get what you want, you'll have to purchase a momentary contact N/C switch for your kill button. We can then hook it up to eliminate either everything (push-pull down) or just the Neck (push-pull up, Neck always on).
