I have a Fender Squier strat... We all know how cheap pick ups could be in this guitar...
I'm doing right now shielding mod because at high gain my guitar is noisy.
But even that I think my guitar sound to much metal style... I want to have a more punk new rock sound just like bad religion or green day... What kind of pickups(single coil or humbukers) are good for punk music... I play trough a MArshall 100DFX... I heard that dimarzio are very good, is it ?
Hey Pab!...Welcome to GN2! Yes, Dimarzios are great pups. In fact if you go onto their web site the choices are overwhelming! Now im in my early 40's, so when you say " Punk" I think "Sex Pistols" or "Generation X"...well they used humbuckers as do Green day I believe. Loads of distortion, too muddy for my taste but hey!...whatever floats your boat huh? I think the Dimarzio Super Distortion would be just what youre looking for my friend. Id set all of my amp settings at half dial, and tweak it from there untill you get the sound youre looking for. Not too much gain is needed if you install humbuckers. Good luck!
Post by Runewalker on Apr 19, 2006 19:40:03 GMT -5
There are plenty of Single coil form-factor humbuckers. All the majors have them, Dimarzio, SDuncan, etc. GFS has one called "little Killer", and an over the top seller on ebay called GuitarHeads has a nasty one that comes in at about 17K. So if you are wanting not to get a new pickguard there are plenty of options out there. And since punk is more about energy than nuance of tone then ceramic versions, which are frequently cheaper, should be fine.
Yes, they are humbuckers. I used a set of Seymour Duncan " Hot Rails" on a Strat I had a few years back. Its a humbucker, but is sized to fit into a single coil slot. They really screamed I must say! They didnt call them hot rails for nothing.
Just a note: all single coil sized humbuckers I've ever seen use ceramic magnets - even PAF style ones (Duncan's 'lil '59) They have to to overcome the thinner wire and fewer winds in those designs. So don't fret about the magnet used.
Post by Mini-Strat_Maine on Apr 19, 2006 23:05:10 GMT -5
I have a Fender Squier strat... We all know how cheap pick ups could be in this guitar... I'm doing right now shielding mod because at high gain my guitar is noisy.
Good plan, especially if you eventually put in hotter pickups.
But even that I think my guitar sound to much metal style... I want to have a more punk new rock sound just like bad religion or green day...
I dunno much about the style, except that I'm not "into" it. I didn't find punk or new rock on the list mentioned below, so I guessed "Alternative." Close enough?
What kind of pickups(single coil or humbukers) are good for punk music... I play trough a MArshall 100DFX... I heard that dimarzio are very good, is it ?
The type of pickup (HB or SC) might be a matter of personal preference, just like so many of the other things that can be different even among the same model of guitar, by the same maker. As long as your gear is at least halfway decent to begin with, "good" music of any style will flow from your fingers. But yeah, DiMarzio makes some good stuff. You can start at Dimarzio.com, and check out the "Pickup Picker" in the lower right corner. Then go through the list: Humbucker or Strat, body wood, style of music, whether you want more sustain, better harmonics, etc., etc. Then from their recommendations, talk to people who use those pickups (best if you can get a chance to "test drive" some) and/or read reviews of them. Harmony Central has user reviews for pickups, and somebody may mention artists that they know are using a certain make/model. They can also say for which style(s) they think the pickup is suitable or unsuitable.
This is a bit of a screecher. It is more trebley than a Dimarzio Fred and not quite a spontaneously harmonic generating. Loud and penetrating. Probably more in the ToneZone direction, but since I have not tested a ToneZone I can't be sure. Specs are similar to a ToneZone.
There are three versions of this H09, H11, h13 (I think those are his model numbers). They differ whether they are exposed coils or covered (gold tone and chrome).
This pickups are adequately loud, modern voiced, get good but not overblown harmonics, balanced and articulate. They tend towards the "creamy" (singing, smooth overdriven sound without piercing treble, yet articulate in the higher frequencies) when driven through overdriven amplification/boxes. Covered versions are slightly more 'creamy.'
I like this pup alot. Just put them in an LP set neck clone and did an A/B test against a real 1968 LP, and they actually sounded better than the Gibby pups (and this is a pretty fine LP), more full range, flexible yet soar more easily. However, they may be too creamy for punk unless you compensate at the amp/boxes level. They can get nasty and ragged if you manage the throughput side. A nice pickup for a variety of voices. But if you want a more monolithic sound, then the higher output, single voice types may be more for you.
Most of these pups have 4 leads, except maybe that large pole on at the top. I think it only splits. So that does give you more options in your axe. And Nutz are all over options. Even punks don't wanna punk all the time.
Finally, even vintage voiced pups can punk if you put enough junk between them and the amp, or if your amp gets ratty enough. Its not like the SexPistols or the Clash really spent a time thinking about their pups -- that would be too old school. They used a lot of thin, vintage style single coils and just cranked it up. Green Day probably spends more thought and $ on pup selection. Maybe as much thought and $ as the lead singer spends on eye makeup.
Does someone have an idea how this config could sound?
New member Slejhamer is using a Lil Killer in the neck position of a guitar he mentioned in another thread. Runewalker asked him to have a look over here, and maybe comment on the sound for you.
I do indeed have a GFS Lil Killer in the neck of my Squier '51.
It's an unusual pickup. Though it's sized for Strats, I don't find it to be very Strat-like. Of course, it's a humbucker, so it's not going to get that chimey single-coil tone, but it's REALLY fat sounding. Not muddy, the way some humbuckers can get, but with a notable boost in the lower mids.
I don't like it much for clean tones - I have to EQ it to cut the lower mids and raise the upper mids significantly. Even then, it's just "okay." But with a high-gain amp and some overdrive or distortion (I use a Tech21 modeling amp and a cheap little Danelectro FAB Overdrive pedal), it really comes alive. Powerful, yet it retains string clarity.
Punk tones? Yes, definitely. Though I find it odd to be discussing "good pickups for punk." Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols played a Les Paul with Humbuckers. Green Day's guitarist switched to P90s for American Idiot (I LOVE the growl from P90s - I put GFS Dream 90s in my Ibanez Artcore). Joe Strummer of the Clash played a Telecaster. Anything can be used for punk, in my opinion.
Anyway, a Lil Killer in a Strat body will definitely give you a much beefier tone than the stock Squier single coils, and is a very easy swap. It's not classified as a distortion pickup, but as I said it seems to do much better in high-gain situations.
Oh, and they come in different strengths. I have the "vintage" 6k version, which was a good match for my bridge pickup (GFS Bigmouth.) For strats, GFS does sell a calibrated set of three, with varying strengths. The 13k Lil Killer in the bridge would probably sound monstrous. store.guitarfetish.com/casetof3lilk1.html
But, something to think about: if you currently find your Strat "too metal," perhaps you need to tweak your amp settings to get more of a punk tone? Or add an overdrive or "grunge" pedal? Just a suggestion.
Regarding noise: I also shielded my '51, and that did help somewhat, but the Lil Killer (being a humbucker) is reasonably quiet. But then, I don't really mind the hum from single-coils. It's rock 'n roll, after all!
I'm not sure what you mean about the transition from clean to distortion. Cranking the preamp gain is going to raise the volume, unless you offset the boost somewhere else (like a master volume control.) But that's a function of the amp, not the guitar.
Post by Mini-Strat_Maine on Apr 21, 2006 9:50:22 GMT -5
What I mean about clean /distorsion trasition is that when I use my foot switch from Marshall for use distorsion, there's a big volume difference between clean and distorsion,,,
I'm a gig fan of clean and distorsion transitions during a song, so I need a config that can smoothly pass from clean to distorsion using my foot switch ...
Oh, okay, I know what you mean: the Marshall P801 footswitch, to go between the Clean and Overdrive channels on the amp. I think you (and your bandmates) might be happier if you used a separate OD/distortion pedal (or pedals). I've got an MG30DFX, and while the reverb and other effects on it are okay, I'm not all that impressed with the OD on it. That was the opinion of at least one other MG--DFX owner on another forum I use. (It's that solid state stuff, ya know. )
You should used balanced pups. I had a Strat Plus years ago. I took out the lace sensors that came with it and I used Duncan Texaz Antiquitys...It may be spelled wrong....anyway, I used two antiquitys in the neck and middle position, and a Duncan hotrail for the bridge for those soaring leads. Well the hotrail was much more powerful then the antiquitys and there was a noticeable volume difference when switching between them.
But Right now i'm using stock pickups from Squier, so I supposed they should be already balanced... Maybe problem comes with amp or pedal, because when I use CS-3 boss pedal with clean channel, it sound awesome, but when I turn on distorsion, then we hear a lot of hum even when we play,,,
Maybe mod will cure this problem, today i have practice after mod.. I'll try CS-3 with distorsion and hope hummm noise will dissapear... If not maybe I will finally change my single coils for LIL killer humb.