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Lenny
Nov 28, 2007 12:55:27 GMT -5
Post by Ripper on Nov 28, 2007 12:55:27 GMT -5
Hey fellas... This months Guitar world has the sheet music for Stevie Ray Vaughans " Lenny" I have been giving her a whirl, but I must say Emaj13 & Amaj9/E chords are twisting my lil digits outta shape. I have always respected SRV...I have a new respect now.
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Lenny
Nov 28, 2007 14:33:00 GMT -5
Post by ChrisK on Nov 28, 2007 14:33:00 GMT -5
?Alternate tuning?
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Lenny
Nov 28, 2007 14:59:44 GMT -5
Post by sumgai on Nov 28, 2007 14:59:44 GMT -5
deep, There are a couple of ways to look at this. One would be Chris's suggestion, an alternate tuning of some sort. My personal preference would be, SRV didn't know much more than the average bear, in terms of musical theory. I suspect, very strongly, that those chord names were derived by some uber-music major, who lives to complicate things to the maximum possible, in order to show off his Advanced SandboxMusic Theory degree. You know, the one that teachs you to say "Would you like fries with that?". Long story short, for every chord you can name, there is at least one alternative name, and if you paid attention in class, there are 7 possible alternative names - for every chord. Why don't we use them? Because it's difficult enough to keep the normal names straight in our heads, most of us don't wanna suffer a communcations breakdown when talking to other musicians. So, I'd look at the chord name, and break it down like this. Starting with Emaj13, we see a normal triad, E, G# and B, right? Recall that when we reach the second octave tonic (the root, one octive above), we don't start over with the numbers, we simply carry on. There is never an "8th", that's simply the octave (root) note again, and can be assumed. Thus, the 9th is really a 2nd (F#), the 10th is really the 3rd (G#), and so on and so forth. Now we see that the 13th is really the 6th (just subtract 7 from whatever you're seeing in the chord name, if it's more than 8), and that would be a C#. Now I don't know about you, but if I, personally, were to hold a standard 3rd position Emaj chord at the 7th fret like this: 0 7 9 9 9 x I'd be sounding out E, E (already the second octave!) B, E, G#. If I merely press my third finger down onto the high E string, I'll be sounding out a C#, no? PRESTO! There you have it, a dyed-in-the-wool Emaj13 chord, free of charge! ;D Now, theory also states that if there is a singular note called out after a chord name, then it is intended to be the bottom note of the sounded chord, or IOW, the lowest pitch to be played. Your assignment, given what we've covered today, is to reconstruct the Amaj9/E, and give it a more easy-to-finger chord name. You may cheat in any way you wish. After all, every other guitar player on the planet does, right? ;D Turn in your homework when finished. sumgai
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Lenny
Nov 28, 2007 15:13:18 GMT -5
Post by lunaalta on Nov 28, 2007 15:13:18 GMT -5
Don't, actually, really know the tune (a friend plays it), so I didn't get to fall in until the 6th. Kool post, Sumgui Friends sometimes question me when I give an alternative name to their chords, or suggest they are a 'so and so' with an added 5th, etc. I don't know much about music but sometimes a little inspiration goes a long way.
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Lenny
Jan 14, 2008 1:29:22 GMT -5
Post by ashcatlt on Jan 14, 2008 1:29:22 GMT -5
This is an old thread. Not sure why I even opened it. Must have been bored...
Anyway, sumgai I have to correct some of your post up there. I can't say that I've ever heard this song. I do agree that it's likely that stevie was likely just throwing his fingers down where they felt (and sounded) right. It's also possible, given what I know about these types of mags, that the chord names describe the overall tonality of the band at this point in the recording. That is, one guitar plays a few notes, another guitar plays some others, the bass plays E and altogether, it comes out as Emaj13.
The thing is, though, that when you see a chord name that includes a number greater than 6, it's generally assumed that there is an appropriate 7th involved as well. Thus, Emaj13 would include 1-3-5-7-13(which is, in fact, the 6th) or E G# B D# C#.
079899 is a little tough. 076809 would be quite a bit more comfortable. In first position you could play 021120, though it might be easier to mute the A string with the finger you're using to fret the D. In chords like these it's sometimes actually prefered to leave out the 5th anyway.
The Amaj9 contains 1-3-5-7-9(aka 2) = A C# E G# B. The slash E means the E is on the bottom. There's a couple ways to skin this cat. 007999 works in this case. 007699 (no 5th) would also work. In first position you could do 002100, though it's technically Amaj7sus2. A simple Amaj9 would be 006600. Wait, that leads us to 066600, which is a valid Emaj13!
Well, this song just got a lot easier now, didn't it?
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Lenny
Jan 14, 2008 12:59:19 GMT -5
Post by lunaalta on Jan 14, 2008 12:59:19 GMT -5
Not sure I like the look of that 066600, looks a bit devilish.....
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Lenny
Jan 14, 2008 14:10:09 GMT -5
Post by ashcatlt on Jan 14, 2008 14:10:09 GMT -5
It'll probably sound like hell too. Don't have a guitar around to try it. Then, you know, if SRV was at all informed by Robert Johnson - well, we know where he got his licks from don't we?
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