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Post by Runewalker on Sept 15, 2007 12:17:58 GMT -5
"Trem King, the fixed bridge vibrato system..."Perhaps the king of the oxymoron syntax at least ..... "fixed bridge vibrato". www.tremking.com/Interesting design, unlike any conventional designs I have seen. The demo at least looks convincing. What do the engineers here think? RW
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Post by sumgai on Sept 15, 2007 13:55:15 GMT -5
Rune, OK, I see it all now. Two things: One, the bridge doesn't float. That's a Cardinal Sin, in my book. My playing style requires that I be able to manipulate the bridge with the heel of my plucking hand, and that means both up and down. I don't have time to yank on a non-existant bar (I remove the bar (or handle) permanently, it's in my way). Worse, the handle is in the middle of the saddle-works. Do they honestly think that no one ever puts his hand near or on the bridge? The other thing is overcomplication. I see at least one, and possibly two points of failure, and the worst part of it is, they are hidden from casual inspection, so any maintenance of this kind is gonna require some dis-assembly, and that's not good, again in my book. Price-wise, it seems to be in line with most other 'exotic' solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. Oh, wait, that's right........ I'm the only one on the planet that seems to not suffer from tuning instablities when jacking a Strat's standard, stock, vibrato bridge. (Unlike Chris, I can refrain from correcting Rusty Bickford. ) I've quit trying to figure that one out, I'm just gonna go out and play, and devil take the nay-sayers! ;D This company is right in your back yard, no? Can you see the thing in person first, before you make up your mind about it? HTH sumgai
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Post by Runewalker on Sept 15, 2007 15:54:48 GMT -5
This company is right in your back yard, no? Can you see the thing in person first, before you make up your mind about it? HTH sumgai Not quite, as Texas backyards are as big as most of what you folks call states. I have bought Tradition chassis and actually like them alot, but seems like I got those as seconds from Nashville or maybe even the midwest somewhere. I have converted a couple of their LPs and the guitars give my '68 Gibby LP a head to head battle. I know (sorta) one of the brothers a bit and may get one of these things if he gives me the discounts he usually does when I buy parts from him. Just to experiment. don't know when however, as it is always easier to buy parts than to actually build. So I am trying to wean myself from my parts shopping habit. I have been more of a fixed bridge player, and always wanted to wang dang whammy, but seems like all the ones I have (6 pt, 2 pt, and Floyds) like to seriously go out of tune, after activation, unlike the majic ones you have. Incidentally, when you can wrest pups from them, the ones I have obtained have been very sweet. More of a modern higher output pup, sweet clear tone, with nice harmonics and responsive pick dynamics. However, I did have to perform 2 to 4 conductor surgery.
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Post by sumgai on Sept 15, 2007 17:24:08 GMT -5
Rune, Err, did I slip a gear here? Where did a Tradition chassis come into play? Am I somehow sleeping at the switch? sumgai
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Post by Runewalker on Sept 15, 2007 22:49:15 GMT -5
Rune, Err, did I slip a gear here? Where did a Tradition chassis come into play? Am I somehow sleeping at the switch? sumgai My man SG, you brought it up: (Unlike Chris, I can refrain from correcting Rusty Bickford. )I was just going with the flow, because, as you undoubtedly suspect, I am all about "flow." Rusty is a principal in Tradition guitars. I believe they have started producing a model or 2 with this bridge as an option or ingredient. My contact at Tradition, Eric, sells parts through an eBay store (although they are not always Tradition parts, but are aftermarket parts)" --- MMGT Enterprises: stores.ebay.com/MMTG-Enterprises_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm(LInk will change since it is a live Ebay link.) Eric even sell the trem device there: cgi.ebay.com/Trem-King-Strat-Trem-GOLD-AWESOME-NEW-TREM_W0QQitemZ280152777161QQihZ018QQcategoryZ41407QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemSo I am just following you. You brought up Tradition. love and Kisses RW
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Post by sumgai on Sept 16, 2007 0:02:19 GMT -5
Rune, Ah, I see. Obviously I didn't look much further than the name on the dotted line. Next time I'll delve a little deeper when doing cursory research like this. $112 is a fair price for something like this, I should think. (The gold unit you linked was $126, also very fair.) However, I'm personally still not in for the ride - that business about not floating, and all that jazz. Thanks. sumgai p.s. I may flow, but as my age increases, so too does my viscosity! ;D
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Post by hammeroff on Sept 16, 2007 23:53:02 GMT -5
I watched the video, and the main thing that caught my attention was not having to mute strings when using the whammy bar. That's gotta be kinda weird to get used to.
Even if you buy a tremking though, you still gotta fight every battle a standard strat bridge guitar does (friction removal @ headstock & nut). I'm pretty sure the man in the video had a graphite nut & staggered [probably] locking tuners.
This may be a bit forward, but I'm willing to bet sumgai's "majic whammys" were the same as yours, but he did a little careful work on them, before he gutted the guitar for its pickups.
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Post by sumgai on Sept 17, 2007 3:37:30 GMT -5
Matt, Sorry, but I'm not the one who guts his guitars for the pickups......... That's Rune talking, about one (or more) of his Tradition guitars. (Or so it looks to me, upon re-reading his post.) And I've done nothing out of the ordinary to any part of my Strat, it's about as stock as it can get ('ceptin' the QtB mod). Well, mechanically speaking, anyways. Electrically, that's a different story. I did pull the second tone control, then moved the volume and master tone (nee first tone) down one hole. The former volume pot's hole was plugged with a 30¢ chrome do-hickie from the local hardware store. Otherwise, bupkis. sumgai
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Post by FireBall on Jan 25, 2008 22:26:27 GMT -5
The Kahler 2320 is the best tremolo I have ever used. Very smooth, no tuning issues and you can palm without going out of tune. You also don't have half of your guitar cut out to mount those evil springs, just a pocket top rout. I won't make the mistake of going to a floyd design again. JMHO
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Post by axekicker on Apr 27, 2010 3:00:18 GMT -5
I dunno, looks kinda cool to me. I think if you couple a Tremking with a Super-Vee locking nut, you might be in business.
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