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Post by rabidgerry on Jun 21, 2008 19:19:59 GMT -5
Hell all how's it going ;D
just wanted to know about good wire for inside my guitar which has "quieting the beast" performed on it.
The info I';ve gathered from singlecoil.com is that AWG22/19 Teflon insulated silver wire is the best, but this type is hard to get from where I live (northern ireland).
So I figured AWG22 of some other type of wire would be as good? It suggested on singlecoil.com wire with lowest possible capacitance is best.
So that would mean
(correct me if I'm wrong I need to learn this stuff as I've only recently crash coursed on electrics)
wire with a high current rating?
I thought about trying 42strand oxygen free copper wire?
Or even.............
fuse wire!!!! at 30A
can you great guitar modding maniac help a fellow out here and shed some light on these suggestions?
P.S I tend to have modded without knowing much electrical terms and what not!!
P.P.S singlecoil.com actually suggests in an article on cable that removing the input to output wire
(if a sheilded twin conductor type like mine)
and replacing with just two wires
(of the same sort that you would wire your guitar with)
twisted around eachother will be a better idea??
Thanks Chaps
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Post by D2o on Jun 21, 2008 22:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 22, 2008 20:31:25 GMT -5
Tinned insulated #22AWG solid wire works fine. As wolf indicates, it's easy to form, solder, and manage. For a particularly complex and intricate wiring I've been known to use #28 solid wire wrap wire (I have a spool of silver plated kynar wire from my stint in aerospace in the 70's) Vintage wire, such as the cloth covered rubber insulated stuff, unless you're trying to con someone (including yourself), is meaningless and hidden anyway. Don't bother, the marketing around this is bull$hit. The only demonstrable effect of this wire is the separation that will occur between you and your money. OFC Oxygen Free Copper (or Con Men).If the guitar is shielded, wire away. If it isn't, twist the pairs together, the length of the run is minuscule anyway, and any capacitance will be minuscule as well. |
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 25, 2008 13:46:10 GMT -5
DD842 turned me on to the idea of phone wire. When I redo my Epi Sheraton II (soon) it'll get the telephone treatment, if for no more than the ease in dressing it.
It's amazing how much outright BS there is about something as simple as wire. In the past I have jumped into discussions with fanatics about the subject and invariably they "crush" me by referring me to a supposed "white paper" posted on a boutique connector manufacturer's website.
As it happens, I did a little research into the subject and discovered that, as long as a metal conducts the signal field (which is what it is: it's not little high frequency electrons racing low frequency electrons from your guitar to the amp, as the advertisers would have you believe) performance is almost indistinguishable between say, aluminum and silver. The field propagates at about 90% the speed of light, which means that any anomalies would only show up in wires many kilometers long.
For example, there is a cult that believes that speaker connections in a stereo system need to be exactly the same length for the L and R sides. A little time with the calculator reveals that you could hook up speaker L with 40' of cable and speaker R with 1', and you would end up with the "long" side delayed by 9 nanoseconds. Note that the smallest delay interval ever perceived by humans under laboratory conditions is 40 nsec. Tell that to a true believer, though, and the answer will be "but I can hear it!"
So the problem is incurable...and it's not a problem to the zealots. For those of us who prefer basing our evaluations on facts, expensive cable it a ripoff.
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Post by sumgai on Jun 25, 2008 17:49:07 GMT -5
Hey Texan (East Texan, that is), You know me, I've said it before, but just to be consistent, I like to post in all the threads that get close to this particular topic.  When zealots think they've crushed you, in any way, shape or form, just offer to "let them" participate in a double-blindfold test.  I've yet to hear of one of those jokers actually stepping up to the plate - they simply turn away, as if you just farted in church or sumpin'. ;D ;D But you're correct in that you're not gonna change them any, their minds are made up, and you simply can't confuse them with the facts.  Must be nice to be able to turn a blind eye to the real world, while at the same time you believe that that same "real world" revolves around you....... wish I could do that, life would be so much simpler.  sumgai |
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 26, 2008 7:49:28 GMT -5
Sumgai,. that is the first time I have posted this simple information and not been slammed! This site rocks.
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Post by sumgai on Jun 26, 2008 13:37:57 GMT -5
lpd, Errr, not been slammed for what? You don't mean, do you, that someone had the ostrich-visioned gall to slam you for doing what works?  Egads, I guess it does take all kinds, eh? ;D sumgai |
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Post by sumgai on Jun 26, 2008 13:45:05 GMT -5
lpd, But, but, but <insert motorboat sound here>....... That 9 nanoseconds of delay might, under high power conditions (like as in, listening at jet-engine squelching levels), cause as much as, gasp!, half a degree (centigrade) of difference in the heat dissipation along that wire! Oh, the very horrors of it all!  Sometimes I think I was born with a contrarian nature, just to irrigate all the self-righteous idiots I can find. But I usually wake up from such dreams, and go on about my life chanting the mantra "life is too short for so much drama". ;D sumgai |
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Post by newey on Jun 26, 2008 18:11:54 GMT -5
If you irrigate, you'll only grow more.  And: Ok, now we're into the wave-particle duality or sumpin' I can only hope that I don't require a deeper understanding of quantum physics just to make my stereo (or guitar) sound decent. |
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 26, 2008 21:04:25 GMT -5
Well, that's the point: you don't have to understand all the esoterica of pixie dust in order to wire up a git. Dammit, it's all wire and solder, not magic new age prismatic mumbo jumbo, as many people seem to sincerely believe. Or if it is, we're all wasting our time here. ;D The fact is, the circuitry used in a guitar (or stereo, for that matter) is thoroughly understood except by those who think, by some force of will, they can sneak past the laws of physics that the rest of us find comfortable certainties. |
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Post by D2o on Jun 27, 2008 10:25:14 GMT -5
Ok, now we're into the wave-particle duality or sumpin' The debate about whether light was composed of particles or waves. Newey, you're a genius! Based on your statement, I tried something to reduce the noise from all those pesky wires: I aimed the output jack directly at the amp, but with no cord. I can tell you that I have never recorded less from any guitar, period. ;D  (No, I did not really do this.) |
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 28, 2008 7:31:32 GMT -5
A major breakthrough! Give that man a Nobel Prize.
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 29, 2008 21:47:35 GMT -5
Not so fast. Due to the need to precisely correlate the output jack on the guitar with the input jack on the amplifier, this is obviously based on simple quantum funneling. However, I have discovered that, contrary to most empirical data and intuitive reasoning, virtually all noise occurring within an electric guitar and amplifier is directly attributable to the leakage of mains-originating electrostatic and dynamical quantum heuristic phase state plasma gluon's exhibited during quasi-asymmetrical Sherbet-Schrodinger tunneling. When the quasi-asymmetrical Sherbet-Schrodinger tunneling mechanism is placed in a quiescent state (by decoupling the source of the mains energy Eigenstate quantum leakage from the aforementioned signal replication system), all non-imaginary noise disappears. The imaginary noise, usually eliminated through the religious application of OFC technology, still occurs in the imaginary, but not especially complex, plane (where the rain is mainly in(s)ane). This eliminates the need for the positive definite nondegenerate ground state decoupling from either port of the Gaussian wavepacket generator, which directly deconfirms the need for the Galilean invariance of both poles, thus restoring one pole to tonal infiltration. The breakthrough occurred when I spent an afternoon evaluating Schrödinger's cat (possibly for a brassier) based on data from an original article, which appeared in the Naturwissenschaften in 1935 I have filed letters of patent regarding this and anyone interested in licensing the solution set can contact my attorney, D. Baerken Roevar, at Dewey-Chaetuum-and-Howe.com |
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 30, 2008 7:50:39 GMT -5
I'm afraid you'll find that Monster Cable has already secured the patents.
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Post by D2o on Jun 30, 2008 8:35:17 GMT -5
Not so fast. Due to the need to precisely correlate the output jack on the guitar with the input jack on the amplifier, this is obviously based on simple quantum funneling. I resent that. I used the other kind of quantum funneling ... that good kind. I can't remember the brand name. You see, that's what I thought. But don't forget that this particular guitar is made of mature growth grade "A" Asian Long Horn Beetlewood. The cellular structure is entirely different from North American woods. Where North American wood has the typical bubular cell structure, many asian woods have almost a demi-bubular structure that is more resistant to certain types of water ... and that's why. I admit I had overlooked that. Nevertheless, it was a nice day. My OTC non-prescription drugs may have heightened my perception of the imaginary, but it the non-imaginary that was found to be lacking in this experiment, and I don't just mean the noise. Agreed, but I can assure you that I was a degenerate during the entire exercise. That's gonna be one nasty burger.  ... and I thought the burger was nasty ... I know of this guy and he's a barking lunatic ... |
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Post by gumbo on Jun 30, 2008 10:43:35 GMT -5
Hey!!!!!
...obviously you guys are just getting WAY over-complicated with this..
..simple way out:-
$5 laser pointer rammed in the guitar jack..aim the red dot at the hole in the amp, and it's all over
...simple solutions from the land of the $7.50 gallon.. ;D
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 30, 2008 11:07:40 GMT -5
Well, that's most meaningful since 90% of all patents are worthless anyway, and the Patent Office issued a patent on the cat battery (rub Fluffy, charge up the balloon) around the turn of the century before last.
Further experimentation has revealed that, while all non-imaginary noise was eliminated through the quasi-asymmetrical Sherbet-Schrodinger tunneling (I've decided to go with lemon-lime sherbet), it immediately returns once I actually start to play.
Apparently I've had the discriminator setting at an excessively low level.
Facts are easy to repudiate, if they aren't factual.
It's the fiction that lives forever.
After all, never underestimate the ability of a human to rationalize (but I spent $$$$ on smoke and mirrors, so it has to be better).
The primary reason that many more guitar parts are being cryogenically treated is simply because they can be, and that there is still an excessive number of fools with excessive amounts of money.
Bear in mind that most pickups have wire gauges in the range of #42 to #44 AWG, solid hookup wire is #22 AWG, and that the ratio of this is 20 gauges. Since wire gauges function just like Bels (as in deciBels), the ratio of current carrying capability between the coil winding and the hookup wire is only 100:1.
This would indicate that the #22 AWG solid wire is undersized in its ability to convey the signal from the coil to the also undersized cable, and further on into the obviously undersized wiring within the amp.
Now, to be fair, the wire gauge of the speaker circuitry IS important.................
I have discovered that with all of the cryogenically treated components and systems in use today, I've to get my hands cryogenically treated as well.
This might explain the noise..................and the need to type with my nose.
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 30, 2008 11:10:33 GMT -5
I thought of that many years ago, but since laser pointers were significantly more expensive then, I was forced to use a lower part of the spectrum.
I think that it was called RF.
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Post by lpdeluxe on Jun 30, 2008 12:03:23 GMT -5
(the) Patent Office issued a patent on the cat battery (rub Fluffy, charge up the balloon) around the turn of the century before last. Why hasn't more development done with this? If the oil companies hadn't blocked funding, we'd all be driving cat-powered electric cars and playing cat-energized electric guitars. My cat needs something to do anyway. He just lays around all day. |
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Post by ChrisK on Jun 30, 2008 22:32:30 GMT -5
Rub him with a balloon and stick him on the wall. That'll put some twitching in his whiskers.
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I've yet to hear of one of those jokers actually stepping up to the plate - they simply turn away, as if you just farted in church or sumpin'. ;D ;D
Must be nice to be able to turn a blind eye to the real world, while at the same time you believe that that same "real world" revolves around you....... wish I could do that, life would be so much simpler. 
