One Volume with tone/Direct wiring

[ChristoMephisto]

Is it possible to wire a pup to a single volume pot and have tone included? Not where you add a passive cap to the input lug for the ck wah sound, but works with the pot's rotation?
Found this schem at DGB studios for a single pup/one volume where pup was wired to the middle lug, then to the output jack. The tone cap is from the old input lug to ground, and the ground is normal.
(1S19) www.geocities.jp/dgb_studio/index_e.htm
Would this work, are there any disadvantages? Could this be used in such wiring like S-Tastic where the mid pup is wired direct to the jack without tone?

I'm planning on making a three s/c tele with a concentric volume pot, one for the neck direct to the jack, and the other for the mid/bdg and after the 5-way, one p/p tone pot. John H clarified the disadvantages of sharing the same tone pot on two volumes. Jazz bass/LP/50's style. Probably saved me from it not sounding right. If I leave the tone on the mid/bridge pot, it leaves the neck without a treble cut.

[JohnH]

I think this is the circuit you mean:



I don't think this is a very good one! The circuit is full on in the middle regions of the pot range, and gives treble cut at one end and shunts the pickup to attempt a volume reduction at the other. If wired on a pickup which is direct to the jack, as in the middle pickup ob the S-tastic mod, or neck in your case, then the pot will act on the whole signal not just the one pickup. Also, its not a good way to do a volume reduction, particularly in a parallel system. This is because all it does is to increasingly load the pup by shunting it, hence squashing its tone (and that of the other pickups), but not actually giving much volume reduction until the very end.
I cant see a very good way to do what you describe at the moment.
What will your push/pull switch do? and what overall combos are you going for?

John

[ChristoMephisto]

Thats the one, too bad its no good

The 5way operates the mid/bdg pups, and the p/p pot is series into the neck pup. I plan on using a Mean90 in the neck, and Keystones in the rest and wanted a separate volume controls. Sorta like the S-Tastic, but the Neck is wired direct to the jack instead.
But since its on a Tele and not a Strat, I'm limited by what I can use, unless I drill and add another tone pot.
Wise to say a P90 style pup in the neck w/out tone is not a good idea.
Could always try the S-tastic, with a mid OoP sw

[newey]

But since its on a Tele and not a Strat, I'm limited by what I can use, unless I drill and add another tone pot.

If you're using a concentric pot for 2 volumes (neck and Br/mid), why not use another concentric pot for 2 tones as well? This avoids the extra hole and your controls will match. You can also, if you wish, put the neck V & T on one concentric pot, and the Br/Mid on the other, so that your adjustments are all in one place for each.

[ChristoMephisto]

But then I would lose the mid/bdg series into the neck

After looking at a few teles w/ three pots, and thinking about it, I'm going to add a second p/p tone pot for the neck and a OoP option.
The five standard (m,m+b,b,b>m,b>-m) parallel to the neck, series on the m/b 250k noload p/p tone pot, and neck OoP with a low cut cap on a 500k tone pot. Works out to about 27 sounds, including if I roll back one of the volumes.

Here's a weird question, if two pickups, wired indepenant, had one pup OoP and the other's volume rolled back to zero, is it still OoP?

[newey]

But then I would lose the mid/bdg series into the neck

Sorry, I didn't realize that's what you were doing. Looking back, I see you did specify the p/p.

I'd double and triple check the fitment of all that into the Tele control cavity. I'm sure it can be done, but 2 p/p pots, the concentric pot, plus the 5-way will take up a lot of space, and you've got a lot of wiring to cram in there as well.

[ChristoMephisto]

Should be able to. This guy has a large pot, p/p and a TBX pot w/ a 5way super switch in his. Already know I'll have to open up the side a bit for the 5way unless i stick with the 5way 4 pole switch and a different wiring setup.
www.xhefriguitars.com/page8.html

[newey]

Already know I'll have to open up the side a bit for the 5way

I think ChrisK said he did that one one of his Tele builds- basically just undercut the cavity on one side.

Some nice custom Teles on that guy's site. He indicates that he only uses full-size pots, too, so the p/ps should fit as well.

For completely custom Tele control layouts, Guitar Fetish sells blank Tele control plates so you're not limited by the stock holes in the plate. Cutting a slot for a lever switch is a bit tricky, however, if you don't have a machine shop handy.

[ChristoMephisto]

I got one of those chrome control plates with flames on the end, so won't be changing that up soon.
It has about 1/4" extra spacing between the knobs which should help.
My neighbour/superendent has a bunch of tools, and he's the one who'll be routing out a swimming pool for me. ;D

[ChrisK]

tedfixx
Swimming pools? Switching "rashes"?

I just might be a control freak.


I've done some crazy Tele control plates.


Fer sure!

[ChristoMephisto]

Those sure are some crazy control plates with all those knobs and switches. Amazing what you can fit in a cavity.
Where did you get those toggle switches beside the 5way? I can only find the ones that are 1/2" and measures to the edge of my plate.
An on/on/on sw would clean things up on mine, to make a gibson like pup selector.

[ChrisK]

They're called sub-miniature toggle switches. I doubt that they're available in ON-ON-ON.

[ChristoMephisto]

Sub-miniature, thats what they're called. I kept looking for micro...
probably scarce or not made in that size.
Altho I did manage to find a SP3T on-on-on that would do the same ;D