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Post by sumgai on Mar 26, 2012 1:08:10 GMT -5
Now if only there was a way to have the most-useful positions pre-set with some kind of switching to make it easier to precisely select the position and voice you want ... Gibson's already done that - I believe they call it a Les Paul..... ;D
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Post by gumbo on Mar 27, 2012 8:36:23 GMT -5
...ah! ...so THAT'S what makes those things so darn heavy....
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Post by yakkmeister on Mar 27, 2012 21:09:30 GMT -5
...ah! ...so THAT'S what makes those things so darn heavy.... Nah, that's the hubris they build into each one - it's how they get that obnoxious tone
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 28, 2012 6:44:52 GMT -5
...ah! ...so THAT'S what makes those things so darn heavy.... Nah, that's the hubris they build into each one - it's how they get that obnoxious tone Now that was funny. +1 for making me almost spray my coffee on my keyboard. HTC1 NOTE: No alleged illegally imported hubris was used in the generation of this post.
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Post by gumbo on Mar 28, 2012 7:31:02 GMT -5
NOTE: No alleged illegally imported hubris was used in the generation of this post.
... +1 for THAT!!!! ;D
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Post by reTrEaD on Mar 28, 2012 9:26:04 GMT -5
...ah! ...so THAT'S what makes those things so darn heavy.... Nah, they're so darned heavy because of the lead weights. Gibson puts them in there so you'll be focused on how heavy the guitar is, instead of how light your wallet just became.
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Post by gumbo on Mar 29, 2012 7:59:36 GMT -5
....and the nominations for 2012 Off-Topic Prize are.....
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 29, 2012 9:10:38 GMT -5
....and the nominations for 2012 Off-Topic Prize are..... Deep in the African jungle, a safari was camped for the night. In the darkness, distant drums began a relentless throbbing that continued until dawn. The safari members were disturbed, but the guide reassured them: "Drums good. When drums stop, very bad." Every night the drumming continued, and every night the guide reiterated, "Drums good. When drums stop, VERY bad." This continues for several days until one morning the drumming suddenly stops and all the natives panic and run screaming. The man asks the guide what's the matter? The guide looking very frightened says: "When drums stop, VERY, VERY bad," he said. "Why is it bad?" asked a member of the safari. "Because when drums stop, bass solo begin!" HTC1
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Post by yakkmeister on Mar 30, 2012 1:10:59 GMT -5
....and the nominations for 2012 Off-Topic Prize are..... Deep in the African jungle, a safari was camped for the night. In the darkness, distant drums began a relentless throbbing that continued until dawn. The safari members were disturbed, but the guide reassured them: "Drums good. When drums stop, very bad." Every night the drumming continued, and every night the guide reiterated, "Drums good. When drums stop, VERY bad." This continues for several days until one morning the drumming suddenly stops and all the natives panic and run screaming. The man asks the guide what's the matter? The guide looking very frightened says: "When drums stop, VERY, VERY bad," he said. "Why is it bad?" asked a member of the safari. "Because when drums stop, bass solo begin!" HTC1 +1 for that!
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Post by ozboomer on Jul 11, 2012 22:30:40 GMT -5
...and for those who came in (very) late.. I've now placed one of these on order:- [/url][/ul]Expected delivery according to Fender Aust. is about 27-Aug-2012. RRP AUD599... but likely much better than that street price... Took me a while, I know.. particularly after the J Mascis Jazzmaster debarcle through the last 12 months or so... but we'll see how this one pans out... ...and already, the mods are in the back of the mind... I wonder about a tortoiseshell pickguard... hmm... ;D ;D
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Post by andy on Jul 12, 2012 5:04:47 GMT -5
Well, THAT was a waste of a morning!
I Umm'd and Ahh'd with all the options on the guitar tester and came up with a red version of the blacktop Jazzmaster!
I think I might be growing out of the multi-pickup madness of my youth, and it's a good job they don't offer the blacktop in Dakota Red...
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Post by ozboomer on Aug 22, 2012 6:31:07 GMT -5
Well, I went and collected my Jazzmaster today... and Oooo, it's a beaut! Some people have had issues with the finish, the tremolo arm falling out, and various other things but I haven't found anything too much to fault on this one. Some obligatory photos (click on them for larger versions):- The guitar plays very nicely and I'm not that aggressive when I play, so the bridge is fine for me (no need to swap-in a Mustang or Mastery bridge). Fretboard is as dry as a bone, though, so I fancy I'll 'de-string' and organize some lemon oil into it... and the standard circuit volume/tone knobs are a bit grotty... but the neck is very nice -- I thought it would be a bit ordinary, with the super-gloss... but the makers have done a good job with the finish. Electronics seem Ok... but I'm certainly going to make my normal 'required changes' -- tone going dull as the volume is wound back makes me nuts (although I understand a lot of people like that)... and on this one, the taper on the tone pot is actually correct, so I'm keen to see what type it is. The 'rhythm' circuit does what it does.. and I'm of a mind to re-wire it somehow... but I just haven't decided what I can do with it (yet)... but I'm tending towards level controls for each pickup when in B+N... or the 'PTB' (passive treble bass) tone control that I've used in my Stratocasters. Oh.. another thing I noticed.. the angles on the pickups are kindof interesting. I mean, in terms of height under the strings. The neck pickup is set-up what I would call 'conventionally', with the high 'E' string closer to the pickup than the low 'E' string... but the neck pickup is set-up backwards, that is, the low 'E' string is closest to the pickup while the high 'E' string is further away from the pickup. Is this part of what gives the Jazzmaster its sound? All in all, a mighty fine guitar for the $$$... and for ME! John
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Post by reTrEaD on Aug 23, 2012 11:30:01 GMT -5
Hi Oz!
fwiw, I posted old copies of the Jazzmaster wiring in the Stock OEM section of Guitar Wiring. I think they're a little easier on the eyes than the current version available from Fender. You might find them useful.
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Post by ozboomer on Aug 24, 2012 5:31:58 GMT -5
Good-ho..
I've seen the 2nd one before.. but the 1st one is new to me... Extra info is always useful...
Fanx! a heap..
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Post by sumgai on Aug 24, 2012 10:28:12 GMT -5
The lower drawing was meant for use in the factory and in service shops, the upper drawing was part of the submission for several patents.
sumgai
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Post by 4real on Nov 13, 2012 5:42:09 GMT -5
I borrowed the 'golden age of fender' book from the library and much to my surprise...the marauder... I'd not heard of this one, the jazzmaster were seen to be the top of the line deluxe model fenders...this was designed to be one step beyond. I think there were 4 or 5 built as prototypes, one had backwards slanting frets...ones like this starteed the headstock that would later be used on the 'starcaster' (a guitar I really like and admired this look) and a heap more kind of mysterious rocker switches... Anyway, thought that this might be a place to mention it, I thought I'd seen most fenders... Oz/John...great looking guitar and choice for you...always had a soft spot for jazzes...
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Post by newey on Nov 13, 2012 13:04:51 GMT -5
Ah, yes, the Marauder prototypes. One or more of these featured the "hidden pickup" look, with the pups mounted beneath the pickguard.
I was inspired by that idea when I built my P-Bass clone, which displays only the regular P-bass pup, while a Strat Rail-type pup is hidden beneath the guard in the neck position.
The Marauder was killed when CBS took over, so only prototypes were built. I think sg mentioned once upon a time that the 1965 Fender Catalog was to feature it on the cover, and a number of those were printed before CBS pulled the plug.
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Post by sumgai on Nov 13, 2012 14:06:57 GMT -5
My only reaction to that fake Marauder is that Leo was known to hate rocker style switches - he felt they were too flimsy for operation while on stage, and wouldn't last for very long. Loose tolerances and all that.... Indeed, the Marauder as prototyped in '62 and intended for release sometime not too long before CBS took over, was to have four (count 'em, 4) pickups, all hidden under the pickguard. This has become known as the 'Type 1' Marauder, to distinguish it from the now alleged 'Type 2' Marauder, which is pictured above (as posted, from the book). Even Wikipedia is in on the action. I quote: Later guitars with the three visible pickups and/or slant frets were built on a differently shaped body, and were never officially named by Fender as Marauders or anything else. Still, some people[who?] refer to these experimental guitars as "Type II Marauders" (that's what is pictured in this article) for reasons that have never been and remain unclear. That Wiki article has essentially the same image as does 4real's post, above. (But in a much more pleasing Sunburst finish. ) However, note the headstock..... But more importantly, to put the quote in context time-wise, it illustrates that this version was devised and prototyped well after Leo had left the building. And all of this is/was ancient history. Fender has now brought out a new series of Marauders, Google will find and display them for you. HTH sumgai
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Post by long813 on Nov 13, 2012 14:39:47 GMT -5
9 Separate switches. That would be quite a hassle to manage on stage, especially if they started to get stiff!
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Post by 4real on Nov 13, 2012 15:44:03 GMT -5
Well, Leo was an inventor, and as any inventor know, they have to make a lot of 'mistakes' to find the gold... www.gear-review.co.uk/cgc/fender_marauder.jpg[/img]The 'hidden pickup' thing was one of those quirky 'failures' whose merit was dubious...IMHO... This article seems interesting, might have a read if I have time... acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2882646-Speaking-of-the-Fender-Marauder...-the-original-one... Even has a video of how one sounds... The slant fret thing seems a bit weird compared to more modern takes on the 'fan fret' idea... There are so many weird and wonderful fenders about... I'm not sure that I'd go as far as saying that these things are ' fakes' afterall, they existed in prototypes, I'm astonisehed that they went so far as the marketing photoshoots and layouts so often when the instrument never went into production...perhaps promo is bigger than practicality...but they 'exist' too and were not 'photoshoped mockups' as you might see these days... One of the very many problems with the CBS thing is they often ran with ideas of leos that were perhaps a product of tinkering and 'what if's' and thinking that everything he might think of was 'gold'...or just to cynically push product out, what ever the quality. Leo was being sidelined and his heart perhaps no longer in it... Anyway, always a fascinating 'history' and I really like some of the 'fenders that never were' that sometimes appear and seems to be a trend with their new 'pawnshop' series and often with squires with that P-51 or whatever it was, a fine guitar that garnered many fans and yet, no longer!
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Post by asmith on Nov 13, 2012 18:17:18 GMT -5
I just want to say thanks for posting that 4real. It's been a long time since my drooling was so educational. (graduating year drama studies, to be exact)I think you mean the Squier 51: Or it's Precision Bass equivalent: Both delectable.
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Post by newey on Nov 13, 2012 20:09:46 GMT -5
4real rightly said: Note that the final prototype shown by 4real above (whatever it is called) may not have made it into production, but some of the ideas did. The "chunk-carved-from-the-foot" body style later appeared on the Fender Swinger. Apart from the weird body shape, just about everything else on that guitar was incorporated into the Electric XII- the 3X3 split-coil pickups, the headstock shape, the selector switch on the lower bout. In fact, body aside, the rest of the guitar is basically a 6-string Electric XII:
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Post by ozboomer on Mar 31, 2013 7:07:19 GMT -5
Just a minor update from a little while ago... to complete the story (so far)... Here are a couple of 'before' and 'after' photos of my Jazzmaster, since I changed the pickguard from white to a brown tortoiseshell:- So.... Is it 'better' or 'worse' to you? I certainly prefer it... and o'course, it plays MUCH better now Now, to put on some 'go faster' racing stripes and it will fairly R-O-A-R!!! T-W-A-N-G!! ;D
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Post by newey on Mar 31, 2013 18:24:01 GMT -5
I like it, it seems to make the color stand out more. I'd forget the racing stripe, though. It won't looks right with the tortoiseshell. Although of course it will go faster with one . . .
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 31, 2013 21:44:43 GMT -5
All you need now are some cream color pickup covers and knobs. BTW, I like the tortoise much better than the white pickguard.
HTC1
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 29, 2016 7:47:45 GMT -5
As I'm currently thinking about revisiting this "Jazzcaster" idea... I've discovered one of the great optical illusions... Consider: the Jazzmaster pickup (cover):- Now, what do you think is the greater dimension, the distance between the screws at A and B... OR... between the screws at B and C...? Acshually, the distance between the screws at B and C is the larger at 45+ mm (1.8+ inches) compared to the other dimension which is 40+ mm (1.6+ inches). Who'dathunkit!? Now, back to reviewing the GoodOil tm in the earlier parts of this thread... John
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Post by sumgai on Apr 30, 2016 0:18:10 GMT -5
ozzy,
It would seem that you have a Jazzmaster, no?
Where's that thread that you posted many moons ago, about what the distances were for placing the Jazzmaster's pickups from the fretnut? I've got some numbers for ya, but I wanted to "give closure" by putting them in the correct thread....
sumgai
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 30, 2016 4:45:50 GMT -5
ozzy,
Where's that thread that you posted many moons ago, about what the distances were for placing the Jazzmaster's pickups from the fretnut? I've got some numbers for ya, but I wanted to "give closure" by putting them in the correct thread.... 'tis this current one, m'ol' china.. started almost exactly 6 years (and another dozen wiring projects) ago... Right on the first page... Currently sussing-out the changes to be made to the "swimming pool" rout (rout? is that a noun? the hole thingy) in a cruddy cheap'n'nasty $50 Strat copy, before I start lashing-out on the Jazzy pups and custom pickguard on a "real" Strat copy (thinking like a Bullet or to see if I can work out something with one of my fellow Nutz re: a used 'full-depth' Squier-something, something from Rondo [Ooop.. Have they got out of Agile and SX guitars or something? They don't seem to have any stock of non-pointy-horned Strat-style guitars on the web site now..!? ..and certainly none of the SX Strat-style that had P90s in 'em (Hawks, etc)...!?] or G'Fetish). I can't really stay away from tinkering for too long, y'know... John
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Post by ozboomer on Apr 30, 2016 6:26:07 GMT -5
Here's something interesting... It's only approximate, as I was trying to work some sort of an 'average' position for the bridge... but with a couple of pictures of a Jazzmaster and a Stratocaster, scaled consistently and overlaid, a couple of things become obvious:- - the
bridge neck pickup is only a centimetre/half-inch further away from the nut on the Jazzmaster - the bridge pickup is almost in the same position as the centre (of rotation) of the Stratocaster bridge pickup
So, an approximate (enough?) thing might be to line-up the 'top' of the Jazzmaster pickup cover with the 'top' of the Strat neck pickup cover... AND if I place the 'bottom' of the bridge Jazzmaster pickup as close as possible to the bridge plate on the Stratocaster -- this will give me a reasonable 'extent' for working-out what material I need to remove from the Strat's pickup cavity... Maybe. Hmm... BTW, does anyone have any whizzy 'Node/Antinode offset/position of an ideal vibrating string' in your spreadsheet archives at all? ..just to see about the theoretical positions of the first few harmonics... I know, it's all a bit of a joke, with how the pick is used to pluck the string, it's not plucked at the same point or with the same strength all the time, the strings are different, blah, blah, blah... 'tis just to see if there's any link between what I'm finding on the instruments compared to what we "know"(!?) from Laplace/Fourier partial differential equations and their series solutions, blah blah. The R&D continues... John
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Post by JohnH on Apr 30, 2016 8:00:40 GMT -5
BTW, does anyone have any whizzy 'Node/Antinode offset/position of an ideal vibrating string' in your spreadsheet archives at all? ..just to see about the theoretical positions of the first few harmonics... I know, it's all a bit of a joke, with how the pick is used to pluck the string, it's not plucked at the same point or with the same strength all the time, the strings are different, blah, blah, blah... 'tis just to see if there's any link between what I'm finding on the instruments compared to what we "know"(!?) from Laplace/Fourier partial differential equations and their series solutions, blah blah. The R&D continues... John Maaaate! The answer is yes, all of that. At least I think its what you might want: GuitarFreak6.3You can now adjust fret position, picking position, pickup position etc and see results. Probably clearest to switch on just one string
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