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Post by Yogi B on Nov 1, 2018 10:52:52 GMT -5
Failing to make the Bridge × Middle + Neck selection work perfectly, I thought about other potential "accidental bonus" settings we could have instead. The most obvious -- given by simply reordering the poles such that the grounding throws are those selected in the centre position -- is a solo switch, of sorts. This would select at most one pickup, the bridge-most of those that are selected in the other two modes, that is: if the bridge pickup isn't off then we're left with just the bridge pickup; otherwise if the middle pickup isn't off we're left with middle; otherwise the neck pickup if the neck pickup isn't off; otherwise (all pickups off) the output is shorted, as with the other modes. If desired, the order of precedence can be altered by differently assigning the pickups to the switches; the current behaviour is probably the most favourable, though in some situations it's easy to imagine one might prefer to transpose the middle and neck.
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Post by ourclarioncall on Jul 25, 2020 22:44:54 GMT -5
Brilliant thread this 🙂 so glad I stumbled across it
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Post by ourclarioncall on Jul 26, 2020 7:56:36 GMT -5
In the second diagram the 6pdt switch was changed to Johns 4PDT version, but the order of the switch settings was also changed from on/off/on oop , to on/on oop/off
How do I keep it as on/off/on oop?
In other words, I want the first diagram but with Johns 4PDT series /parallel switch instead of the 6pdt
Any ideas?
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Post by ourclarioncall on Jul 26, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5
Just another thought -
For the variation of the series/parallel switch that uses an on-on-on switch and has the bridge*middle+neck .....
Could that be changed to something like a kill switch ? Perhaps this would be a more practical function, as for someone like me that uses circuits with only switches , to turn the guitar off I would have to potentially flick the three pickup switches to the off position , but a kill switch option on the series parallel could be a bonus if the switch is going to have an extra position with a sound that might not be that great or just doesn’t work.
Anyway, just thinking out loud.
The order of series/kill switch/parallel would probably be better series/parallel/kill switch but that might make the wiring multiplied times more complicated to achieve , I dunno.
I find that the on-on-on switches I have are really good and when you try to flick it from one end to the other it tends to stop in the centre. It has a great feel /click. With the cheaper Chinese switches they are a bit more flimsy and easy to push past that centre setting as if it didn’t exist.
But no sweat over the kill switch , i would probably use the option if available , but just series/parallel is fine
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Post by aroberts8089 on Oct 2, 2020 21:02:07 GMT -5
Finally back after 10 years (an acoustic hiatus). Good to see these designs are still being discussed. A bit irritated that the "hybrid" setting was problematic. My brother used my scheme in a guitar - I will have to follow up with him to see what his experience was with that middle position. I can see the kill switch option being interesting as well (and would totally be doable I think), but I am a bit obsessed with getting the Bridge * Middle + Neck position to work. Will have to resurrect this project again now that I am playing electric again....
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Post by ourclarioncall on Oct 2, 2020 21:11:33 GMT -5
Finally back after 10 years (an acoustic hiatus). Good to see these designs are still being discussed. A bit irritated that the "hybrid" setting was problematic. My brother used my scheme in a guitar - I will have to follow up with him to see what his experience was with that middle position. I can see the kill switch option being interesting as well (and would totally be doable I think), but I am a bit obsessed with getting the Bridge * Middle + Neck position to work. Will have to resurrect this project again now that I am playing electric again.... I just got an email notification that you had liked my comment and I was about to blow the trumpet on here to tell everyone you were back on ! Although I never had the pleasure of meeting you on here as I’m a newbie, I did enjoy your posts and did wonder where you vanished to 🙂 anyway , great to see you back on here 👍
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Post by aroberts8089 on Oct 8, 2020 15:31:23 GMT -5
Ah! I think I got this one figured out - Just need to do some more route tracing and confirmation before putting it out there. I started out thinking I would need to do the serial/parallel switching with dual 3PDT on/on switches (this would have allowed for B x M + N as well as B + M x N but in the end I managed to get it back down to a single 4PDT on/on/on. If people prefer a middle off position rather then a Hybrid middle, they could easily throw in an on/off/on switch instead......but in that case there are probably much easier ways to wire this whole thing up.
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Post by ourclarioncall on Oct 8, 2020 18:14:17 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing your progress 👍
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Post by aroberts8089 on Oct 12, 2020 8:49:19 GMT -5
So it ended up being a bust, unfortunately. It just ended up failing at a different point. At this point, I think I can do it with 2 3PDT on/on switches, but I am not sure its worth the effort for me. For essentially 1 extra sound that I didn't think I was going to get originally anyway it probably not worth it. Since I would now be up to 5 switches for only 2 additional sounds I would tend to just revert to 4PDT on/on and only have a series/parallel option.
OR even better I stumbled upon Hermetico's Guitar wiring Blog this weekend and he uses the first 3 4PDT on/on/on switches to assign the PUP to either the series or parallel route. At first, I didn't care for the idea as I felt that the phase switching felt more intuitive at that point, but now I am sold. I can put 2 phase switches in for 2 pups and with Hermitico's Series/Parallel switches have everything in my design plus.
Instead of spending hours solving a problem that's been solved by better minds than my own, I can wire it up and start creating my music again.
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