HSS with one push pull from deaf eddie

[4real]

In my meanderings I cam across this simple idea and a bit of a winner I think...and verified...



From here...

www.tdpri.com/forum/just-pickups/149708-push-pull-s1-style-humbucker.html

This is NOT the Fender S1 scheme, but gets a few of the new tones that the S1 features, and has a pretty usable tonal palette. It's pretty simple to wire, too.

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I have used Dimarzio color code on the humbucker leads, as I couldn't find the info for Genesis four-conductor humbuckers. Please let me know if you have the correct color code and I will edit the drawing to match. You can ignore the color code on the single coils, as long as you have identified the hot and ground.

Note that we are coil-shunting the bridge pickup when the p/p is IN - this will give you the traditional S-S-S Strat combos.

By pulling the P/P, you remove the shunt connection, so the bridge plays full humbucker. You are also lifting the ground lead from the mid pup and connecting it to the neck pup, so that the mid plays in SERIES with the neck pup - the two pups played in series will sound rather like a neck humbucker.

Well, I thought I might post it here where I can find it again and share, I'm rather impressed...

I wonder if there is a way to add the bridge into position 2 in the series mode perhaps in split to get a neck/bridge combo...is that a spare pole I see there on the P/P???

[asmith]

If you were willing to swap the standard five-way switch for a five-way superswitch, then you could have Bridge South in parallel with the Neck in position 2 of 'series mode.' Here's what I reckon is the schematic for that.

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Basically you emulate the standard switch on three 'sections' of the superswitch and use the fourth to make sure the humbucker is either in series, or that North is grounded when not in use on Pos. 2. Three sections is the minimum usage by my figuring, because the middle lug on the standard switch has three positions in which it has an output. (If you connect the wires pre-switch-side for having the pickups in parallel, then you'll always just get neck+middle+bridge in parallel in either position 2, 3 and 4.)

I have looked into how to switch on the full humbucker in parallel, or having either the full or split humbucker in series with the neck - attaching the neck's ground lug to one of the superswitch 'sections' seems to be the way forward, but then Bridge North's place in the circuit gets messy. However after a while this happened and it takes a while to clean up.

EDIT: Oh, bugger, the tone controls mess things up don't they, middle bleeding into neck and vice versa. You'd have to do something with that. I don't know.

[4real]

Thanks asmith...i thought the 'coolness' of the thing is that you get that single coil strat selection and with one simple push pull and the standard selector a range of series sounds with the HB...all with a pretty simple scheme...

I actually do have a superswitch that I took out of my strat but am considering a bunch of schemes...I'm finding the middle alone to be a little too much like other sounds and would prefer a neck/bridge option...so perhaps the superswitch will return

Anyone know of sound clips for a 'series' strat kind of thing?

[lu peng2]

i did one with this drawing as base, tone pot 2 can now dial in the HB

with P/P i get now in pos 1, 2 ,3 the single coli 1 of the HB parallel and in pos 4 and 5 from coli 1 to HB

and in push i get coli 2 to HB variable

this give additional a neck // bridge (coli shunt)

and u can chose both coli in the HB alone and also mix it with others

my favorite tone here is p/p pulled pos 4 neck midel serie and humbucker coli 2 alone! hot quack


now, corrected drawing

[4real]

Whoa...major bump of a thread...

There are some great sounds in some of this, but int the end I went for the Mike richardson scheme with a variable spit control I worked out plus a phase switch...

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&thread=5413

The pickup selections are as per the Mike Richardson basic scheme...

default parallel mode
N
N+M (p)
N+B (p) (123)
M+B (123)
B (123)
series mode (pull vol control)
N*M*B (p) (123)
N*M (p)
N*B (p) (123)
M*B (123)
N+M+B (p) (123)

The attraction or interest at the time was because i desired the N + B combos and the mid alone is not that useful to me. The MR thing puts things in perhaps a more logical order and more useful sounds...but, it requires a super-switch to pull it off and a fair bit of wiring compared to this...but definitely worth it.

I think one of the key problems with HSS strats is that the HB can sound more powerful and so different to the other pups that it needs to be toned down generally so that is where the 'spin-select' really came into it's own. Mine also has a HOoP which can lighten up the darker series sounds.

The all three pup variations can be really nice though...series can be a bit dark, but all three parallel is kind of neat... which again, this scheme can't do.

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Welcome to GN2 though...

[reTrEaD]

Jun 26, 2012 4:08:33 GMT -5 lu peng2 said:

i did one with this drawing as base, tone pot 2 can now dial in the HB

Hello, Lu. Can I call you Lu? Okay Lu it is then.

Welcome to Guitarnutz2!

That's an interesting twist you've added. Depending on the magnetic polarity of the Neck and Middle singles, you would get full hum-canceling with the Neck & Middle and with the Middle and Bridge (shunted to single coil with the pot) in the "normal" mode. You would also get full hum-canceling in the "pulled" mode when you have the Neck selected and the other coil is linked in by the pot.

You've managed to do something quite interesting with one additional switch and re-purposing the second tone pot. I like it.

I noticed you only have the first tone pot enabled in the 1 and 2 positions. I think I would have changed that to be enabled all the time.

Anyway, nice first post. Hope to hear more from you.

[lu peng2]

yea ur right, there is/was a bug in the drawing,

my tone pot goes to the vol middle lug (out) (50s like) but I'm not happy how my Vol react! it cuts the vol dramatically, at 5 i hear my
strings just from the guitar not from amp


i will re-solder it to the Vol input and consider a treble bleed or leave it without!

i like the way to use tone and vol to get my sweet point

what i also want to test, is to turn the HB fiscally and compare the different quacks in pos 2 with different coli from the HB

thanks for the welcome, since i start to solder around and test different wiring! this forum was my biggest source for ideas!

and man I'm really guitarnuts, playing and soldering, it's like getting a new axe by touching the solder iron