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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 6, 2011 13:32:31 GMT -5
Hi all Happy new year and all that jazz!!
I'm gonna be hopefulluy getting a new PC this year at some stage and I've no idea what kinda spec I will be looking for.
My needs will generally be for working with audio, mixing mastering possibly some recording.
Who can gimme a basic spec of a machine that I should be after.
In terms of storage I've plenty on an exteranl hard drive.
But as far as a processor and ram and all that I've no clue as my current machine is vvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyy old!!!
I'd like something basic as I couldn't afford top of the range. My current machine (don't laugh) is like 1.4ghz processor and like 1.5gb ram
Gimme an idea folks of what I'd be after.
Thanks all!!! ;D
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Post by ozboomer on Jan 6, 2011 16:30:17 GMT -5
Working out the real requirements for a computer to use for music production is a real mine field... although, with today's high-grunt PCs, it's probably not going to be too hard to come up with something that's "Ok"... ...but before you start thinking about the hardware, you probably need to be honest with yourself and decide on some sort of scope for what you expect to do with the machine. Are you looking to do live recording, with a couple of mic inputs from your amps?... or do you fancy yourself being the next Hans Zimmer and p'raps run a virtual symphony orchestra? ...or maybe it's even more important that you can take the system on the road with you, in which case a laptop+firewire/USB arrangement might suit you better... and don't necessarily discount the dedicated digital recorder/studio; a few people here use those to record their tracks and use something as simple as Audacity on a PC to master the recordings. A couple of useful references for you, though: - PC Mus - Some very useful info (although a little dated now) on what is important in making selections about hardware if you go the PC/Windows route
- Tweakheadz Lab... - Some very interesting and useful info on scoping out what you might really need (although, beware of their forums - unlike GNuts2, the forum at Tweakheadz can be kinda savage and hostile towards newbies)
It might even be worthwhile to see if the various members here at GNuts2 might offer some info on what they use to produce their music. cynical1 & ashcatlt: has that info already been published somewhere in the boards here? Good luck.. John
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Post by JohnH on Jan 6, 2011 16:36:29 GMT -5
I'm not up to speed on the very latest chips, but my policy on buying pcs over the last 10 years or so has been to find out what is the absolutely sh!t-hot fastest processor available ,then come down two steps below that.
Most new machines will do a fine job of running most current apps, so its really a question of how much to spend now, as against how many years until it becomes a door-stop or a flower-pot stand. I find this policy gives me and the kids the best value. The exception is for very process intensive work - my son made a good case for needing the most processing power he could get in support of his 3d animation course. But I think most audio apps are not nearly so demanding. My daughter does the most marvelous 2d graphics and basic audio recordings on her 1.8Ghz Athlon from 2004.
I get almost as much RAM as the board can hold, and a hard disk one or two sizes down from the current max available.
I also now will only buy pcs from a local shop, no name brands. That way, all the parts are generic, and theres an easy return when it needs a fix or an upgrade. PCs now seem to be a cottage industry in many cases, so you can support the local guy, and get their help when you need it.
John
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Post by 4real on Jan 6, 2011 17:16:06 GMT -5
Some good and timely advice here...
I too am running a very old machine that has bit the dust 3 times this year costing money to repair. A laptop would likely be a better idea as well over this huge cluncker and 20" monitor taking up real estate.
I bought a new copy of Guitar Pro 6 recently...but unfortunately of course, not powerful enough to run the thing (I can run basic older versions).
$$ are a concern but I wouldn't want the thing to be a doorstop too soon in it's career...
My hard disc is grinding again, so it is only a matter of time...keep up the advice as I think I'm going to need it come the time.
I suppose it also brings up the old Windows vs Mac thing...hmmm
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Post by lpf3 on Jan 6, 2011 18:57:20 GMT -5
I built mine from components that I bought from newegg. I'm sure there are plenty of other places that are as good, but I liked the service that I had already gotten from them.... I had a limited background in replacing components & I did have the help of a friend who knew more than me, but all the parts are pretty much plug & play and the process was surprisingly simple. I knew a little about what I wanted by what my old machine's shortcomings were. I got: A dual core 2.5 GHz processor. 4 GB RAM 2 hard drives, one for computing & a separate one for recording. Both 7200 RPM. I use ProTools, & with this setup I have no problems with buffer sizes or running out of processor power. I don't think I've run more than about 10 tracks *, but there's plenty of power to run multiple effects, and my amp sim (Line 6 Pod Farm) on each track with no problems whatsoever. The reason I recommend building your own is that I got the whole enchilada- the case & power supply, the motherboard (which came with all it's own drivers), CPU, RAM, hard drives, a CD/DVD drive & 2 internal fans for $327. Shipping included. I thought that was a great deal.......you just have to search their site for bargains & free shipping deals. If you're so inclined to build your own or you can get help- I think it's a much better way to go than to try & find an off the shelf unit that might suit your needs. -lpf3 * EDIT: I take it back - if you count the drums that's probably more like 16 tracks.
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 6, 2011 19:01:07 GMT -5
This is really a chicken and egg thing. Depending on the requirements of your intended software and OS that is what determines what kind of machine you need.
For the most part, taking latest GEEWHIZ platform and dropping back two generations is a good rule of thumb in most instances...unless you have money to burn...
Let me ask you a few questions:
Do you want to run a 32 bit or 64 bit OS?
What software are you planning on utilizing for your recording/mixing?
Are you using a USB/Firewire DI interface, or have plans to do so?
How savvy do you consider yourself around computers?
How much are you planning on laying out for this new, or new to you machine?
We'll start with those and move forward from there.
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by JFrankParnell on Jan 7, 2011 10:30:45 GMT -5
whoops! "the old Windows vs Mac thing" <rant>There is no good reason to buy mac. They are not better in any way, and are far worse at most things. They are not easier, more intuitive, faster, better for graphics or audio. "It Just Works" is a blatant, bald faced lie. </rant>
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 7, 2011 13:31:03 GMT -5
I'm not quite as rabid as some in this debate. I've supported PC and MAC users for quite a number of years. With the new Intel chips in the new MACs they are much more stable, and for a small lic. fee you can run a VM Windows machine inside of the MAC OS.
That said, I have never owned one and probably never will. There is a limited amount of software that runs on it, sans the VM, they're substantially more expensive then a PC and when they break they're more expensive to fix.
People swear by or at both MACc and PCs. My take is that whatever blows your skirt up is cool with me.
If you're on a tight budget, then forget the MAC entirely. Anything pre-Intel for a MAC is a waste as you'll never be able to upgrade the OS. Anything post-Intel will cost you more then a vintage Fender amp...
One thing to consider is that for what you'll spend on a "fast" MAC will afford you a PC that will task satellites, run DNA sequencing and crunch 512 bit encryption algorithms...all at the same time...and fold your laundry...
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by Yew on Jan 8, 2011 8:57:03 GMT -5
If you want to selfbuild, I reccomend Bit-tech.net for component reviews and they usually have a set of Ideal Pc's
If you are buying something, you probably want something powerful, but not too flashy, I would suggest something with an Inter Core2Quad Q6600 (its an old processor but its a good one) or an i3/i5 if you cna stretch to it
Look for 3 or 4 GB of ram. Ideally a "real" graphics card, but thats just an extra that usually comes with these spec machines
Soundcard....... Thats a toughie, if it has a decent one, it will cost a bomb. Maybe somone has suggestions on either an Aftermarket card, or a USB/External card?
Monitor : Something that looks nice, maybe in a bundle. Im a Fan Of LG's, but you cna get a nice 21.5" monitor for around a Hundred quid these days
keyboard/mouse. Whatever comes with a bundle if you get one. or just get something that has a good feel to it, seems comfortable, and has nice quality plastic, for most uses 30 quid should cover it. if you have a small desk. look for smaller keybaords, that still have full size keys.
If you are looking at building though, i can give you leads on the best value parts (like not shops and stuff, but seperate the fenders from the squirers)
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Post by lpf3 on Jan 8, 2011 10:34:38 GMT -5
yew wrote:I don't know if this is true for all interfaces- but the mbox that I'm using replaces the soundcard. Luckily I learned that just before I shelled out a hundred bucks on an upgraded card. -lpf3
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Post by sumgai on Jan 9, 2011 0:55:10 GMT -5
I'm not quite as rabid as some in this debate. It was an "altered state" experience when I woke up one morning and counted all the people I had converted with my patented "hellfire and brimstone" bully-pulpit propoundments. Net results - Goose Egg. Tha's right, nobody was listening anyways, so I figured I've got better things to spend my breath on, and gave it up for a lost cause. After all, who am I to fly in the face of P.T. Barnum? Yeah, but will it do the damned dishes?! Gerry, I take the near-opposite tack - buy until your wallet is screaming for mercy..... and then kick it to the curb, and up the ante even higher! In this way, you will get at least three things - hardware that's fast enough to do the job for the foreseeable future (my generic Wintel box from 1999 is still kicking butt and taking names....), you'll get a higher-grade of customer service and warranty service (providing you don't wimp out on this portion of the final bill), and you'll get unmitigated bragging rights for at least a week's worth of bitters, down at the local. Seriously, the bottom line is, whenever you try to find the sweetspot, you inevitably underspend, and soon you're kicking yourself for not laying out that 10 bob more that could have made the difference between The GooGoo Dolls and The Go-Go's. Of course it's your call, but from my experience, it's best to lay off the morning extra-rich, half-caf, mocha-flavored, cups of java for a month - that'll more than make up the necessary capital to buy the righteous box you're gonna need. HTH sumgai
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 9, 2011 1:59:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but will it do the damned dishes?! Yes. Call me next time you need a machine. Seriously, you can get what you need and not break the Bank of England...that's what Bernie Madoff was for... A couple of things to consider. RAM: Everyone says you need more, but honestly, if you're running a 32 bit OS anything after 3 GB is just ballast. The OS can't see it and won't use it. A 64 bit OS will allow you to pile it on. Only the BIOS on the board and your wallet can hold you back... CPU: A dual core is almost a given now. Intel or AMD are acceptable. Grab the board with the fastest BUS and you'll be fine. The newest flavor around will cost you mucho dinero. Dropping back a generation or two will allow you to spend the money elsewhere on the machine. Sound Cards: I like the M-Audio stuff, personally. I think the Delta 1010LT is the best card out there for the money, unless you go to the Pro stuff. You can eBay one for around $100.00 to $150.00. Or, the SoundBlaster Audigy series is a good deal for the money at about 1/4 of the price. Video Cards: Right now, you can score an NVIDIA chip PCIe 512MB dual monitor card for less then $50.00. Unless you're a hard core gamer, this settles the debate for me. And the dual monitor feature is leading to strongest recommendation I can make. If you're going to use this to record and mix tracks the dual monitor setup is almost a must. Considering you can get a 19" wide screen for under $150.00 almost anywhere on the planet, you're screwing yourself by sticking with just one monitor. Once you run dual monitors you'll never go back to a single again. Hard Drives: First off, this is a personal preference, but I have never been a fan of big hard drives. And I always, repeat, always use one hard drive for the OS and another for all the apps. I also set the swap drive on a third drive. Generally, on most boards now you've got 3 SATAs available. Use them. Drive are cheap and mechanical drives are built for crap these days as they all know solid state is coming so they're just pushing these mechanical drives out for next to nothing to stay in the game. They shoot for larger capacity and faster RPMs to suck you in. They will fail, and fail often. External Hard Drives: I would strongly recommend one of these. A 1TB drive will run you around $125-$150 for a good one. Don't buy garbage here, as this is where the backups will reside for the cheap mechanical hard drives you just bought. A good one will accept USB2, Firewire and eSATA. If it doesn't have these ports available then keep looking. Buffalo makes a good one, if you're looking for a recommendation. Solid State Hard Drives: If you really want to impress the techies in you circle of friends, buy one of these...or why not get three, as they max out around 120 GB. These little monsters are the shiznitz. They access faster, are more stable and not susceptible to mechanical failures. They also cost about 3-5 times more then a mechanical hard drive...so I mention this in passing... UPS: No, not the shipping company, an uninterruptible power supply. Get one with a power conditioner as well. It'll be the best $100.00 you spend. And don't go cheap here. I warned you... Now, most of this information really only applies if you're building your own machine. It used to be that you saved money by building your own machine. I've been building PC's, workstations and servers for almost 20 years and that's just not the case anymore. The Chinese have seen to that. However, you do get to pick the components and tailor it to a specific need when you build your own. If you're not in the mood, or the idea of building a machine scares you to death, no worries. If you're seriously looking for a machine to do your mixing and recording then go for a workstation, not a PC. Dell, Lenovo and HP all make workstation grade machines. You can buy new or look for something used. These machines are designed to take a whupping and have better power supplies and componentry in general. Well, that sure muddied the waters... Happy Trails Cynical One
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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 10, 2011 13:34:16 GMT -5
Just to fill in some blanks whilst I mull over everything said here.
I wouldn't really be recording with the machine as I've digital mulitrack units I can quite easily transfer data from.
I may in future consider direct recording to my computer, but its not an essential requirement.
I'd be doing everything basic, wordprosessing, internet, photoshop etc etc.
Then basically mixing, and mastering and all that using Adobe Audition 3.
I'm not sure about what sorta OS to get, I was thinking just windows 7 which I assume is in 64bit. I may just get a 32bit version of it however incase it aint compatible with Audition 3.
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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 10, 2011 13:35:42 GMT -5
This is really a chicken and egg thing. Depending on the requirements of your intended software and OS that is what determines what kind of machine you need. For the most part, taking latest GEEWHIZ platform and dropping back two generations is a good rule of thumb in most instances...unless you have money to burn... Let me ask you a few questions: Do you want to run a 32 bit or 64 bit OS? What software are you planning on utilizing for your recording/mixing? Are you using a USB/Firewire DI interface, or have plans to do so? How savvy do you consider yourself around computers? How much are you planning on laying out for this new, or new to you machine? We'll start with those and move forward from there. Happy Trails Cynical One Pretty savvy!!!
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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 10, 2011 13:37:52 GMT -5
whoops! "the old Windows vs Mac thing" <rant>There is no good reason to buy mac. They are not better in any way, and are far worse at most things. They are not easier, more intuitive, faster, better for graphics or audio. "It Just Works" is a blatant, bald faced lie. </rant> I'd not get a mac as they're over priced and rubbish for upgrades. And yes I don't see how they are supposed to be better than a PC. I know in Ireland its a rich and elite club of mac users who are supercool and uber trendy!!! And I'm not good looking enough to be in the club so even more reason not to join!! ;D
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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 10, 2011 13:43:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but will it do the damned dishes?! Yes. Call me next time you need a machine. Seriously, you can get what you need and not break the Bank of England...that's what Bernie Madoff was for... A couple of things to consider. RAM: Everyone says you need more, but honestly, if you're running a 32 bit OS anything after 3 GB is just ballast. The OS can't see it and won't use it. A 64 bit OS will allow you to pile it on. Only the BIOS on the board and your wallet can hold you back... CPU: A dual core is almost a given now. Intel or AMD are acceptable. Grab the board with the fastest BUS and you'll be fine. The newest flavor around will cost you mucho dinero. Dropping back a generation or two will allow you to spend the money elsewhere on the machine. Sound Cards: I like the M-Audio stuff, personally. I think the Delta 1010LT is the best card out there for the money, unless you go to the Pro stuff. You can eBay one for around $100.00 to $150.00. Or, the SoundBlaster Audigy series is a good deal for the money at about 1/4 of the price. Video Cards: Right now, you can score an NVIDIA chip PCIe 512MB dual monitor card for less then $50.00. Unless you're a hard core gamer, this settles the debate for me. And the dual monitor feature is leading to strongest recommendation I can make. If you're going to use this to record and mix tracks the dual monitor setup is almost a must. Considering you can get a 19" wide screen for under $150.00 almost anywhere on the planet, you're screwing yourself by sticking with just one monitor. Once you run dual monitors you'll never go back to a single again. Hard Drives: First off, this is a personal preference, but I have never been a fan of big hard drives. And I always, repeat, always use one hard drive for the OS and another for all the apps. I also set the swap drive on a third drive. Generally, on most boards now you've got 3 SATAs available. Use them. Drive are cheap and mechanical drives are built for crap these days as they all know solid state is coming so they're just pushing these mechanical drives out for next to nothing to stay in the game. They shoot for larger capacity and faster RPMs to suck you in. They will fail, and fail often. External Hard Drives: I would strongly recommend one of these. A 1TB drive will run you around $125-$150 for a good one. Don't buy garbage here, as this is where the backups will reside for the cheap mechanical hard drives you just bought. A good one will accept USB2, Firewire and eSATA. If it doesn't have these ports available then keep looking. Buffalo makes a good one, if you're looking for a recommendation. Solid State Hard Drives: If you really want to impress the techies in you circle of friends, buy one of these...or why not get three, as they max out around 120 GB. These little monsters are the shiznitz. They access faster, are more stable and not susceptible to mechanical failures. They also cost about 3-5 times more then a mechanical hard drive...so I mention this in passing... UPS: No, not the shipping company, an uninterruptible power supply. Get one with a power conditioner as well. It'll be the best $100.00 you spend. And don't go cheap here. I warned you... Now, most of this information really only applies if you're building your own machine. It used to be that you saved money by building your own machine. I've been building PC's, workstations and servers for almost 20 years and that's just not the case anymore. The Chinese have seen to that. However, you do get to pick the components and tailor it to a specific need when you build your own. If you're not in the mood, or the idea of building a machine scares you to death, no worries. If you're seriously looking for a machine to do your mixing and recording then go for a workstation, not a PC. Dell, Lenovo and HP all make workstation grade machines. You can buy new or look for something used. These machines are designed to take a whupping and have better power supplies and componentry in general. Well, that sure muddied the waters... Happy Trails Cynical One This seems like a good basic guide. I'm not able to afford probably anywhere near close to top of the range so decent packages around £350 max would be my limit and what I'm after. I'm not sure I've time to do the self build route, I kinda need a quick fix (if you get me). Again prob windows 7 is what I'd be lookin at using for an operating system, so ram can go further than 3gb. But again that depends on Adobe Auditon compatiblity.
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Post by thetragichero on Jan 10, 2011 17:35:18 GMT -5
i would go with a 64 bit os for the memory reasons previously given, windows 7 (protools works on it no problem now), at least 4gb ram, at least two hard drives (1TB 7200rpm drives are 60-75$ with free shipping on new egg)
i just made the switch (about a month or so ago) to a computer-based recording setup and i'll never look back!
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Post by JFrankParnell on Jan 10, 2011 20:23:09 GMT -5
Dunno if it was the Mackie ONyx 1640i or Sonar 8 , but as much as I like Win7 (64), I had to go back to Vista 32bit because of latency and scratchy poppy noise on some tracks in some situations. I could never narrow it down to what the prob was in win7-64, but I dont seem to have it anymore.
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 10, 2011 21:50:30 GMT -5
For £350 you should be able to pickup a dual core 3Ghz Xeon workstation used without breathing too hard...probably more in the neighborhood of £200-£250.
That way you can take the extra coin and buy more memory, a sound card, external or internal hard drive or a USB DI.
Remember, the key word here is workstation, not PC.
If you want to get really snaky with it, run a 64 bit Linux shell, drop 16GB of RAM in the workstation and VM (VMWare or OpenVM) your Windows 32 bit OS. Sure, the 32 bit OS only sees 3 GB of RAM, but it has less overhead and you use the additional 5-13 GB to run your Swaps in a RAMDISK. The 32 bit OS has no idea it's not a physical drive and your speed goes through the roof because your access times are exponentially faster since there's no spin and a faster BUS. That's a bit of an oversimplification, but that's how I'm going on my next machine.
With enough RAM, and dual screens you can record in one VM and surf the Net in another and not have to worry about a virus or spyware infecting your music machine...but I digress...
HTC1
PS: And quite a few apps and device drivers written in 32 bit go squirrelly when run in a 64 bit OS. Some vendors have patches or fixes, others just obsolete their devices and offer new ones at a substantial markup. I've also had vst plugins freak out when confronted with a dual core CPU.
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Post by rabidgerry on Jan 11, 2011 10:49:01 GMT -5
Wow this is allot to consider!!! I use allot of plugins so I will want to watch for these potential hickups!! I can't seem me moving to protools or any other software, I get what I want just fine from ADOBE AUDITON3 and I couldn't afford protools anyways so I will be sticking with the same software (it does all I need or want and more).
Cheers c1
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Post by thetragichero on Jan 11, 2011 12:11:40 GMT -5
i have my rack compressors setup for drums (since it's always the same drummer) to save my pc resources i'm sure it could handle it, but i prefer to be extra cautious
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Post by sumgai on Jan 11, 2011 13:40:28 GMT -5
Call me next time you need a machine.Excuse me, but you seem to have mistaken me for someone with an overabundance of gilders...... Actually, that was funny, but I can't let you get away scott-free, I need to respond. Go back and read it again. Notice that I didn't say "buy the absolute best thing there is, no matter how much it costs", I said "buy as much as you think you can afford, then make your wallet squeal a bit, buying a bit more than that budget point." This, I thought (but obviously incorrectly) was intended to convey the meaning of "no matter what you think your current needs are, plan ahead (even if accidentally) by purchasing a bit more computing power". In point of fact, buy way more computing power, right up until your significant other threatens to walk out. (If you don't have one of those, you don't need to be reading this discussion, you should already be all set for the next several years.) Looking at it from the viewpoint of an economist, you need only consider the "cost" in relative terms. The usual comparison point is something slightly less than necessary, in real terms, but not so esoteric that it's obviously a luxury. However, when doing these comparisons, what you're really doing is considering a finite supply of money, and how to prioritize the place(s) you spend it. In that light, you consider the cost of your morning mocha latte, as versus a new PC. IOW, how many of those not-really-necessary latte's do you need to give up in order to acquire that over-the-top computing power I keep mentioning? That's the only question here, all else is just a pissing contest. (But at least it's between and amongst friends! ;D) The other thing is, my first thought in fact, look who's talking. I mean, I quit doing this kind of thing (selling wild-assed mods, crazy-power computers) more than 15 years ago. I started about the time OSI and Sinclair were hitting the shelves, not too long after I laid my hands on a copy of the January 1975 issue of Popular Electronics. Yes, the one that explains how to build your own Altair 8800. Of course, I'd already been in the computer business for about 6 years, having started with an NCR 1402, back in my Army days..... but I digress. (Besides, that military stuff was "big iron, and the Altair was truly a revolution-starting "PC".) So I was far and away already a nerd, long before you even could even spell the word computer, let alone operate one. Trust me on this one, you (nope, ain't gonna say it.... I'll let you live it down. ;D) 'Nuff said. (In jest, o'course. ) OK, fun time's over - everyone back in the Salt Mines! sumgai
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Post by Yew on Jan 11, 2011 14:56:15 GMT -5
Oh and remember not to get carried away! 20 Quid here, then 40 there.. suddenly a Budget PC becomes very expensive!
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Post by ashcatlt on Jan 11, 2011 18:17:30 GMT -5
I'm not interested in any pissing contest. My 1.8GHz single core with 2G of RAM does pretty much everything I was fantasizing about back in '95. Well, I don't have the wearable display, "powergloves" or fully immersive 3D GUI yet, but just about everything else.
Of course, I've been doing computer audio since windows for Workgroups, so I've gotten used to the fact that eventually you need to make frickin decisions and commit to a sound by rendering (bouncing, freezing...) the track and bypassing some of the plugs. I find that I actually have to do this just to keep myself sane. I get overwhelmed and confused when there's all these tracks routed off to these different buses with plugins all over the place. With "Save As" and Reaper's infinite Undo, it's not really destructive anyway.
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 11, 2011 20:27:54 GMT -5
Before I leave the impression I have a Sun blade server farm here, let me clear up any misconceptions.
I'm running a 2.8Ghz P4, with 4 GB of RAM. 2GB go to the OS and 2GB are run in a ramdisk through a little app the manages memory the OS can't see but the BIOS does.
I run 3 - 120GB WD hard drives, one for the OS, one for apps and one for storage and swap.
The sound card is just a Audigy and the graphics card is just an NVidia 512 PCIe from a year or so ago on clearance.
I run dual 19" monitors and the music machine is trimmed to only run 24 processes on startup and is completely segregated on the network in its own subnet. If I need to get on the Internet I just RDP into the Internet box (which is dual NIC'd to a static IP) and have at it. If it catches anything it never goes past that box to hit anything else.
If the economy ever picks up I am going the VM route. OpenVM is free and while it lacks some of the features of VMWare ESX (which the company had the wisdom to bury and partially obsolete) the performance is impressive. And if you already have a machine built VMWare offers a P2V utility to turn your physical machine to a virtual machine in short order.
But I digress...
Rabid - if you run across something feel free to toss it out here with any questions.
Happy Trails
Cynical One
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Post by ijustwannastrat on Jan 12, 2011 9:35:55 GMT -5
May I suggest this?
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Post by thetragichero on Jan 12, 2011 13:03:09 GMT -5
no strat, that's too many cooks in the kitchen
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Post by cynical1 on Jan 12, 2011 13:04:43 GMT -5
...or this... HTC1
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Post by asmith on Jan 12, 2011 13:41:44 GMT -5
Rock and roll, Dave.
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Post by thetragichero on Jan 12, 2011 14:39:39 GMT -5
...or this... HTC1 i bet that thing is full of some KILLER tubes!
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