Cenulab
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Post by Cenulab on May 25, 2005 8:06:59 GMT -5
Anyone know how many poles a Fender S-1 switch has?
Anyone know where I coulc score one?
I'm interested in the switch only; not the whole system. I'd like to do some custom wiring, and it would be cool not to have to drill any holes...
I'd like a little more "action" than what a simple push-pull can supply.
Thanks!!! ;D
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Post by StratLover on May 25, 2005 9:14:48 GMT -5
There are 12 contact points on this switch and when used with a super switch there is a possibility of 10 different combinations of pup selection. Unfortunately this particular switch is NOT available for purchase.---  ---It is however a replacement part from an authorized Fender(tm) dealer or service center. This switch is going to turn out as the TBX pot has over the years and be made available as an upgrade after Fender(tm) sells a quota of guitars equipped with the S-1 switching sysyem.---  --- It looks like a push-pull is your best bet at this time. Sorry for the bad news, but at least you know where you stand.  |
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Post by Cenulab on May 25, 2005 9:44:14 GMT -5
No worries! I don't actually mind drilling a hole, it's just that the S-1 is so darn slick!  I like the idea of keeping the blade and having two "modes" of operation for 10 sounds total... Thanks for the detailed explanation! |
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Post by StratLover on May 25, 2005 11:22:27 GMT -5
No problem, thats what were here for.--- --- Good luck on your project and if you need anything else don't hesitate to let the "NUTS" know. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ChrisK on May 25, 2005 19:45:55 GMT -5
The S-1 switch (in my MIA Am Dlx Strat) is a four-pole double throw (4PDT) alternate action pushbutton mounted on a printed circuit board 1" in diameter. If you want wiring info as in my Strat, it's on the FDP Forum in my profile [yetanothermidlifecrisis].
It is/was available as a replacement part, I have the part numbers and costs in some thread or email somewhere from a year ago or so.
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Post by Cenulab on May 26, 2005 16:39:38 GMT -5
ChrisK, If you find yourself impossibly bored and feel like drudging up that info on ordering the S-1, that would be cool... but don't make it your life's ambition...  not that I mean to IMPLY anything by that... ;D Thanks for the additional info... I'll be quiet now.  -Cen |
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Post by ChrisK on May 26, 2005 17:51:14 GMT -5
OH, ALL RIGHT!
This is a speil that I got back from Bill (I won't give his last name) from Fender:
"Contact the parts dept. in Scottsdale. Mark Blythe should be able to provide you with part no.`s. I can`t say when the S-1 will be available from Fender accessories. I also don`t know if it is available for sale through the parts dept. at this time.
When the S-1 becomes available, it will be offered in eight standard formats that cover most of the bases.
First of all, the switch itself is a two position
four pole push/push which is mounted beneath a standard CTS control. The overall height of the whole assembly is the same as a stacked control.
The control values are available in both 250K and 500K, split and solid shaft, 1/4 bushing for pickguard mount and 3/8 bushing for wood mount. We will be adding a reverse audio 250K control for lefties as well.
There are two parts that make up the knob, the knob itself and a matching switch cap designed to slide within the counter bored knob.
We currently have the two part Am Series Strat knob with volume logo, two part Am Series P Bass & Tele style, and a two part Am Series Jazz Bass knob for the S-1. We are also working on a series of custom knobs for the S-1.
I am sure the retail cost will be very reasonable when the S-1 is available through Fender dealers."
Another thread about where one bot some is"
"The store I ordered the parts through was Spotlight Music here in Fort
Collins, CO. They just ordered them from Fender I believe. The actual
switch pots were $16 each, the knobs were $2.75 and the buttons for the
switch were $2.75. So $21.50 for each pot/knob/cap assembly. About twice
as much as a good push-pull DPDT setup, but well worth it I think."
I'll have to dig real deep on the FDP or in various hotmail accounts to find a list that may have had some actual Fender PN's in it. This was about a year ago and it's somewhat fuzzy now.
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Post by CheshireCat on May 2, 2006 17:31:50 GMT -5
OH, ALL RIGHT! This is a speil that I got back from Bill (I won't give his last name) from Fender: "Contact the parts dept. in Scottsdale. Mark Blythe should be able to provide you with part no.`s. I can`t say when the S-1 will be available from Fender accessories. I also don`t know if it is available for sale through the parts dept. at this time. When the S-1 becomes available, it will be offered in eight standard formats that cover most of the bases. First of all, the switch itself is a two position four pole push/push which is mounted beneath a standard CTS control. The overall height of the whole assembly is the same as a stacked control. The control values are available in both 250K and 500K, split and solid shaft, 1/4 bushing for pickguard mount and 3/8 bushing for wood mount. We will be adding a reverse audio 250K control for lefties as well. There are two parts that make up the knob, the knob itself and a matching switch cap designed to slide within the counter bored knob. We currently have the two part Am Series Strat knob with volume logo, two part Am Series P Bass & Tele style, and a two part Am Series Jazz Bass knob for the S-1. We are also working on a series of custom knobs for the S-1. I am sure the retail cost will be very reasonable when the S-1 is available through Fender dealers." Another thread about where one bot some is" "The store I ordered the parts through was Spotlight Music here in Fort Collins, CO. They just ordered them from Fender I believe. The actual switch pots were $16 each, the knobs were $2.75 and the buttons for the switch were $2.75. So $21.50 for each pot/knob/cap assembly. About twice as much as a good push-pull DPDT setup, but well worth it I think." I'll have to dig real deep on the FDP or in various hotmail accounts to find a list that may have had some actual Fender PN's in it. This was about a year ago and it's somewhat fuzzy now. Any word on this? It's been like 2 years since we've heard anything about these becoming available. |
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Post by Mike Richardson on May 2, 2006 19:41:22 GMT -5
The S-1 is a four-pole, double-throw switch.
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Post by CheshireCat on May 2, 2006 21:11:04 GMT -5
The S-1 is a four-pole, double-throw switch. Yes, I know. I have two. My question related to the last bit, where Fender was eventually going to release the S-1 switch as an accessory. I have the switches, but not the knobs, because the source I got them from only had the pizza hut strat knobs, and no tele knobs. I thought it best to just get the switches and worry about the knobs later, figuring that it would be easier to source the knobs than the whole switch. However, all that said, if Fender was to make them available as an accessory, it would keep me from having to go to possibly heroic measures to source these knobs. Chesh |
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Post by sumgai on May 2, 2006 23:09:05 GMT -5
Hey, wait a minute here..... Am I missing something here, or have the rest of you simply glued your eyes shut, and passed over An Important Event? StratLover,  back to the fold! I don't know where you've been, and it doesn't matter, but now that you're here again, plan on sticking around for awhile, eh?  Your services, errr..... your comments on various topics would be most appreciated by all who read this forum, I'm sure. ;D sumgai |
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Post by ChrisK on May 2, 2006 23:12:32 GMT -5
I bot some Fender blend pots recently. They were $3 and $6 each (I bot 10 of the $3 and 5 of the $6. Much cheaper than the generally available ones.
I have data sheets for the 4PDT switch used in the S-1 (it's available from DigiKey). One WOULD have to make the rest of the kit.
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Post by CheshireCat on May 3, 2006 0:02:15 GMT -5
I have data sheets for the 4PDT switch used in the S-1 (it's available from DigiKey). One WOULD have to make the rest of the kit. |
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Post by sumgai on May 3, 2006 0:12:24 GMT -5
Chesh, Yeearrggghhh! Ya got me, right between the eyes!  sumgai |
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Post by UnklMickey on May 3, 2006 8:51:04 GMT -5
Hey, wait a minute here..... Am I missing something here, or have the rest of you simply glued your eyes shut... here's a bit of "visine" for you. look carefully at the date on StratLover's post. Chesh returned to this post yesterday after it sat for almost a year, so it was easy to miss that although the month is May, the year is 2005 unk |
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Post by ChrisK on May 3, 2006 18:34:32 GMT -5
AND, I continue to be hopelessly impressed with Fender's "endless assemblage" of switching positions available with the S-1 switch. Ya' know, like the SERIES mode in the Am Dlx Tele, where it selects between parallel and series, but only in the middle position. Going from any mode to another only takes the actuation of one switch, but only if one has had the foresight to "set up" the guitar for each song. (With four poles about, one "switch'arooster" might have considered a general override that selected series regardless of the 3way position.) (If I'm not mistaken, there once was, "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away", a two pole 4 way switch that did the same thing.) While this concept is perchance difficult for those descended from the Iron Age tribe discovered in South Asia some years ago whose numbering system went "one, two, three, many", I might believe that the average human that has survived stupidity long enough to learn the guitar, might be capable of such mental gyrations. Marketing is. (Ooooh, switchy!) Wall, Head, Bang, Now! Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, |
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Post by UnklMickey on May 4, 2006 12:36:40 GMT -5
...I have data sheets for the 4PDT switch used in the S-1 (it's available from DigiKey). ... Chris, do you have a part # for those? unk |
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Post by ChrisK on May 4, 2006 16:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by UnklMickey on May 4, 2006 16:57:02 GMT -5
Chris,
those cost links don't work, if you aren't the guy who originally opened the page in the first place.
but, the rest of it, great stuff!
now, to figure out how to adapt THE featured item to a push-pull pot. a 4 pole, push-push pot and costs less than a pickup, sweeeeeeeeet.
unk
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Post by ChrisK on May 4, 2006 17:38:33 GMT -5
Wallll,
On the cost links, whatever. Go to digikey.com, search for 4pdt, filter for alt action and you get the list of candidates.
On the realization means, if one can affix it (as in glue) within a push-pull switch housing (or a push-push, which I've found to be less than robust, and have a few that busted before I could even use them), one is almost there. If one can see how to affix to a functional one, a momentary 4PDT is all that's needed (and if the DPDT function remains.....).
My original means was to disassemble a DPDT push-pull, determine a "free side alley", machine a slot in the enclosure side wall (along w/ the same on a separate DPDT switch from a pp pot), pin them together and get a DPDT w/ a DPDT "side car". If one can have two side cars.....
However, the 4PDT PCB switch WILL require a PCB or similar means due to the small PCB pins and spacing.
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---It is however a replacement part from an authorized Fender(tm) dealer or service center.
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not that I mean to IMPLY anything by that... ;D
Your services, errr..... your comments on various topics would be most appreciated by all who read this forum, I'm sure. ;D
