Anyone have any experience with these pickups? They are sold out of China by eyguitarmusic.com (from whom I have ordered other parts in the past with no problems).
These are currently on sale, but are dirt cheap in any event. $27.00 (+$8 S/H) for a set of three vintage noiseless Strat SCs? Seems too good to be true, I was wondering whether anyone knew more about these.
For the money, I may just pull the trigger anyway, to see what I get . . .
I noticed that this line also has some Strat SCs with adjustable pole pieces, which is something I had not seen before.
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Post by roadtonever on Jul 24, 2011 3:52:02 GMT -5
That's a pretty interesting range of models for sale. Hum-cancelling Alnico Strat pickups are rare in this price range(anyone else but GFS offering this?) but adjustable pole-piece neodymium Strat pickups are rare in any price range.
Post by thetragichero on Aug 11, 2011 15:57:45 GMT -5
pickups came in haven't futzed with them much because i've been working on the pbass, but the kid said he'll probably be by next weekend so i'll let ya'll know what gives it's interesting to see how much tinier the magnet is compared to the ceramic bar magnets i've seen on some cheaper single coils
Post by thetragichero on Oct 12, 2011 13:39:39 GMT -5
still waiting for the kid to give me the guitar... they've been sitting on my bench! i suppose if i weren't so busy at work during the week and in the studio/at gigs on the weekends, i probably would've had these in one of my own axes by now sorry fellas, i keep picking up other projects (including an ibanez pj bass for a friend)... you know how us nuts can be!
I popped for a set of the AVN 57s, and they just came in today from Hong Kong. These look quite beefy, the non-sensing coil extends quite deep below the sensing coil.
They come as a matched set:
N= 12.56K M= 12.72K B= 12.94K
The middle one has a white wire instead of red as on the other two, and so is designated as being the opposite coil from the others (not really RWRP, since it's a HB at heart, just the other coil facing up is all)
Of course, the resistance figures on these mean even less than they ordinarily do, since we're measuring the resistance of two coils in series but only one is sensing the strings.
These look to be well-built. But of course we'll see what they sound like.
These are going into my Yamaha EG-112C Strat copy; it is the first guitar I ever restored from pieces/parts, before I knew about this site or about shielding. It has always been quite noisy, and so never played it too much as it was annoying. And never got around to tearing it apart until now. I also wasn't keen on the ceramic-magnet SCs in there now, they wer echeapies and sound like it.
So, hopefully these will be an improvement. Sound clips soon, I promise . . .
Post by thetragichero on Nov 10, 2011 13:59:44 GMT -5
i've just about given up on putting these in somebody else's guitar, so i'm on the lookout for a cheap hss superstrat body and use the neck and middle pickups in there also have to see how well these have survived the water heater bursting all over my bench... been a bit bummed about that fiasco and haven't really been out to the garage since
Post by Runewalker on Nov 12, 2011 11:57:52 GMT -5
Sono and I are going pop some AVN 57s in a mule as well.
I agree that the build quality appears promising, the ears will tell the tale. The top coil has a nicely done copper shielding treatment.
Looking at them the construction is very similar to some Dimarzio HS-2s and HS-3s I have, with the exception they are hardwired in series with only 2 connecting wires available.
Have you examined yours for the feasibility of converting them to 4 wire configs. My HS-2 and 3 have a pretty authentic single coil sound when only the top coil is engaged and I would like that capabilty with the AVN 57s.
Looking at them the 4 wire solution did not just pop out at me.
Last Edit: Nov 12, 2011 11:59:31 GMT -5 by Runewalker
I didn't really look at that too closely, but I didn't see the series junction. I just saw where the 2 wires exited. As you noted, 2-conductor, and the negative apparently is the shield as well, as it's bare and seems to connect to the baseplate.
But I'll take another look at them, since they have to come back out of the guitar after a fitment debacle today!
As I said, I was putting these in a Yamaha EG-112C, which is Strat-ish but not really a clone. The body is a bit thinner than a real Strat, and it has a side jack instead of the Strat canoe.
Anyway, the AVNs are too deep for the guitar; the only way the pickguard will sit flat is if the pups are adjusted up so high that they'd be hitting the strings, even with the saddles set as high as possible. At a reasonable height, the pups "bottom out" in the cavity and the guard then won't sit flat.
I'm not willing to go cavity-routing just to get a $27 set of pups in here, besides, it's got a bathtub rout already and there can't be much wood to remove before getting into the trem spring cavity.
So, these will have to go out, and I'll put a set of regular SCs in the Yamaha again.
While these will probably fit a regular Strat OK, be aware that they won't work with thinner bodies!
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Post by thetragichero on Nov 14, 2011 23:55:08 GMT -5
okay i picked up a metallic blue strat copy off craiglist for forty bucks i'm gonna set it up as lace sensor red/entwistle 62 bridge/entwistle 62 middle will all be noiseless and smokin hot... we'll see how this turns out, as long as my soldering gun still works
The Str@t type guitar was inheritently bright with the other set of Pups (Alnico SC (neck/Mid) Dimarzio HSN2 Bridge. The ASN 57's gave the guitar a more "meaty/fuller" sound.
Wish they were 4 conductor, but that may not be possible due to the engineering which I am still trying to wrap my head around from the description.
Still not totally sold on the Entwistle ASN 57 as a true SC sound, but as previous, they are most enjoyable to play, are very musical. I will continue to test/analyze. They almost sound like a HOT HB that is configured in LOCAL parallel. For the price, though, they are well worth it for the enjoyment of a different Pup. Much, much better than stock type mid range Pups in my estimation.
Alan Entwistle apparently is a legend in the UK for Pup/Guitar design. His guitar line is Alden and you can Google his site. Interesting....
Mr. Entwistle engineers/designs the Pups and they are mfg'd by Artec in CH. So, the Pups do indeed have some solid engineering and thought processes in their design. Mr. Entwistle currently works for Burns Guitars (UK) and his Pups are also standard in the UK Tanglewood brand. No plug intended, just my current research into the Pups and the designer.
I am preparing to swap out the ASN 57 set for the XS 62N set that will hopefully be a more Stratty/SRV sound... More to come.
Last Edit: Nov 17, 2011 12:41:20 GMT -5 by sonosonny
Post by Runewalker on Nov 17, 2011 14:51:44 GMT -5
Still not totally sold on the Entwistle ASN 57 as a true SC sound, but as previous, they are most enjoyable to play, are very musical. I will continue to test/analyze. They almost sound like a HOT HB that is configured in LOCAL parallel.
To confirm and expand on Son-o's comments:
Comments below apply to the Entwhisle ASN 57's as heard on in the specific chassis described by Son-o in the Lutherie section.
These pickups don't sound like anything else in our harems or parts bins. They are to my ears quite musical. They are directionally single coil in sound, but would not be confused for classic Strat tones. The sound more "single-coilly" (I know, not a word) than most humbuckers we have done cut-coils on, with a very focused view of the string landscape they image.
I expected them to sound like Dimarzio HS-2 or 3s, but not quite. Probably closer to the Dimarzio HS-2, not the HS-3. I had an HS-2 on a Japanese strat and they were a little muddy in the neck position, but that may have been the guitar --- a very heavy alder bod.
They are not really like a P-90 either, don't really get growly even when dug in on. They are more articulate than some GFS "overwound" singles I have. The closest they come to my ears is some jackson singles I have on a dinky, which don't sound exactly like a strat either, but are alnico singles.
They have a nice clarity, not the over-wound muddiness associated with "hot" single coils. They do not quite "chime" or shimmer, but they are very acceptable for the tones they produce. I like the alnico prescence. Together, in System Parallel they manage to even get a little Quack. In a strat bod that would no doubt be accentuated in the N/M position give that the strat geometry puts pups closer together than the way this particular application is built.
Trying to describe the direction is difficult. The closest I have heard is towards the direction that Son-o used .... kinda like a hotter (13-16K) humbucker in Local Parallel, but the window of string occilation is more focused, tighter. The neck position is particuarily pleasant, and I was worried that the stacked hummer would be a little muddy. It is not. The neck position, rolling down the tone and trailing the volume a little gets a respectable, but clear, not muffled, jazz tone.
I found the bridge on this application very Tele like, sharp and penetrating, but not ice-pick sharp. I found myself relying on the tone control to mute the upper frequencies in the bridge pup.
For this chassis I would lean towards a hotter conventional, alnico based humbucker in the bridge combined with this stacked hummer in the neck.
The design should be pretty simple: probably a coil-cut option on the Bridge, or maybe the Local series/single/parallel three way, with a PP for system Series/Parallel. OoP would be optional, but on this chassis with only two "pot-holes" an option with more utility would be a concentric vol to control the mix btw the bridge and neck.
For $27 these have been a great purchase. They are definitely as good as the the best GFS' I have purchased, and better than many of GFS' I bought. However, I miss the 4 wire option. I suspect that given what we have heard that the top coil alone would produce a credible classic strat tone. Reportedly EJ used the HS-2 in the neck and relied on a cut coil switch to enhance the strat-i-ness when that was the only thing that would do justice to a song.
Last Edit: Nov 17, 2011 15:01:00 GMT -5 by Runewalker
Interested to read through this thread, as I have been interested in the Entwistle pickup range for a while. I've been looking at the HDN neodymium humbuckers as possibly good for jazz-fusion type guitar playing. So hoping for a modern sounding humbucker, with good top end and clarity, but also a full-range response, as good played clean as with overdriven sounds. In the end I sent an email to Mr Entwistle himself asking about these concerns in relation to his pickups - he replied in less than half an hour! so gets high marks from me for customer responsiveness. This is what he said:
Actually most people "assume" the HDN to be very much a "Metal" pickup because of it's very high output, but infact i use them for Blues and Jazz and it is their separation and definition that do it for me. Also they really work well when split, so i would really consider this option when you install them! All the best Alan.
Sounds like a nice guy - anyway, I've ordered a set from the UK ebay site, and with luck should have them by tomorrow - I plan to fit them in the next few days (to an Ibanez AH10 Allan Holdsworth model guitar, if anyone remembers those - made in 1985), so I'll be sure to let you know how I find them.
Post by thetragichero on Nov 18, 2011 20:52:54 GMT -5
waiting on pots from mouser (my pot bin fell victim to the water heater, all of their lube somehow leaked into a big glob), but the ones i'm using are the 62s... although the pole screws do not move due to water that got inside them....
When I installed the three Entwistle XS62N single coils in a Tradition Strat a few days ago, I had a "HECKUVA" time getting the pole adjustment screws to turn as well. My pickups had not been doused in Hot Water Heater liquid either.
I seriously had to use the exact properly sized screw driver, use both hands, a lot of strength and was careful not to damage the "slot". All the other manufacturers' Pups I have installed with adjustable poles have been a snap to adjust...
So the stubborness of the pole adjustment screws may just be inherent to the Entwistles. Maybe others can chime in on this phenomenon.
I finally "broke" them out of their frozen state and they adjust better now.
I don't know what they look like underneath, but if they painted the bobbins with the screws in place that can do it. Or, it may be an epoxy or lacquer potting method that gets a bit carried away on the pole screw.
Sometimes a light tapping on the bottom of the pole screws with a small hammer and a drift pin punch loosens the bond up enough to move them easily.
Or try some acetone (cheap nail polish) on a Q-Tip at the base of the screw if it looks like a painting\coating problem. It may not do anything...but the fumes are fun...
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In point of fact, the screw threads are "visible" all the way through, between the upper and lower bobbin plates. When the pup is potted, with almost any kind of semi-malleable material, that entire length of exposed thread makes for great storage areas of said sealant, and of course, there's all the rest of the free space right beside those screws, which also collected a bunch of coagulated sealant.....
All of which goes to say, congrats to Son-O for keeping his cool (presumably, anyway) and not breaking anything except the screws loose.
I don't think I'd be taking any kind of impact-delivery device to my pickups - magnets can be sensitive to that kind of thing, and not in loving, caring kind of way. Just my somewhat judicial opinion, of course.
This pickup among Son-Os and my harems has the most authentic "strat" sounds of all of them. In fact seeking a sonic equivalent (inexpensively, of course) is what drove the decision to buy the Entwhistles.
This guitar config with those pickups (and Dimarzio HS-3) had a especially bright sound. To play the greenburst always required some EQ adjustment so as not to pierce the cortex with icepicks. We always assumed the brightness of the guitar was endemic to this chassis. However after installing the the XS62Ns we find yet another myth is busted.
These pickups are not bright, even in the bridge position. They actually don't sound in way that you would associate with a single coil. They have a very smooth, even refined tone, and tend towards the bass and mid frequencies. With a DCR N/M 7.5K, B 9.5K, they presumably are overwound, although I not sure about the interaction of the Neo's mag strength and the number of wire turns. If overwound that would help explain the lack of brightness. The neo mag seems to produce a very linear tone, none of the sparkly I associate with alnicos, yet none of the ceramic harshness I hear in the cheap clones put in most Squires and Asian cheap guitars.
The emphasis on bass-mid is not exactly a distraction. They give a very different voice to the greenburst. It sounds more like a guitar with three humbuckers than three single coils. The original HBD
has some pretty hot 'buckers (16+k dcr) that can get a little wooly, but have a very nice PAF vibe when put in local parallel. That is sound these XS62Ns remind me of. They get a fat jazz style tone in the bridge, again very smooth, with hardly any "chime." Roll down the tone and you turn into Wes Mongomery. OK maybe you don't have his skill, but you can get that fat pretty somewhat muffled tone easily with the neck pup.
Neck/Mid in Sys Parallel, the classic quack position? Minor quack.
Mid is still smooth but with a lack of strat glistening or sparkle. Bridge is a pretty good lead sound, but is not piercing.
Again the sonic character of all the 3 remind me of humbucker tones. Just odd with that narrow single coil sensing window.
The above are tests in clean. Overdriven the neck is thick, leaning to the womanish tone, and even more so with the tone turned down.
I found the Mid/Bridge combo in System Series to be ballsy, very linear and smooth with a great sustain. Lost a little articulation compared to a bridge overwound humbucker, but still was great fun. It was a very controllable lead sound, it would get harmonics but did not seek them out like say a Fred or Tonezone (Dimarzio). If you have ever played those pups it is hard not to get harmonics in an overdriven mode.
Will I keep these? I lean to putting the bridge pup in the 24 2 22 fret conversion Son-O has in the Lutherie post, and the mid from this set in the neck of that chassis. It would be nice to have a separate vol for each pup but that would mean either concentrics or giving up a tone control, or drilling for another pot (which I don't want to do) or changing out the full size pup switch for a mini and using that hole for another vol.
Just finished wiring the Entwistle HDNs into the scratchplate on my Ibanez - took me a while as it has a fairly complicated circuit (from 1728.com if I remember) and of course I ended up re-doing it. But they are in, and checking with a multi-meter it all seems to be working.
I'm doing some work on the frets + replacing the jack socket while I'm at it, but should have a report in a couple of days.
Like them a lot - there is certainly a lot of output, but they are pretty open, "honest" sounding, a full-range kind of tone as I hoped. There is markedly more top-end brightness than a PAF style humbucker, and although there low end is definitely there, it is not very pronounced or exagerated - I like that, as I sometimes find humbuckers too boomy. Not harsh or brittle, quite a refined sound really, though unlike a PAF type. By comparison, a PAF type is more of a coloured sound I think.
They do indeed coil-tap really well, plus series-parallel switching works great too. If you are having trouble cutting through in a band context, I think these would help too! Nice pickups IMO, especially for the low price.
No probs, the trem is an Ibanez "Powerocker" type - they can also be found on some of the Roadstar II Ibanez guitars from the mid '80s. The one on my AH10 is a special version Ibanez came up with for Allan Holdsworth, with narrower saddle spacing, and an aluminium block.
Post by Runewalker on Dec 15, 2011 18:44:17 GMT -5
Not sure any of you saw this, but there is a clear clip of the Neo single in the neck position that Son-o posted in the Luthier section, reflecting an interesting neck conversion on a bod that was set up for a 24.75" scaled neck.
The neck pup Entwhistle tone on the clip is pretty rich and detailed. The neos don't quite sparkle like a vintage wrapped alnico single. The are are wound hotter. I don't have a feel for the differences between a neo an alnico if both were equal in flux strength etc. This pup live sounds full and a little meaty, yet very smooth. It works well in the particular application that Son-o built. Check it out toward the bottom of the page.
Interesting about the Neo singles sounding full/meaty and a little less bright - the Neo humbuckers I used are clearly brighter than the average humbucker (I still like these a lot BTW). I was thinking of putting in a middle Neo single coil at one point, but I suspect it would not be such a brilliant match with the 'buckers after all. Although I like the sound of the single coils - they certainly seem to be something a bit different from the norm.