ben7e
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Post by ben7e on Feb 11, 2012 16:36:03 GMT -5
Hi everyone, My first post here..I came here because as I was searching for some ideas/diagrams on the web this forum seemed to have a lot more electronic gurus than the usual guitar sites I hang around. I just purchased a Reverend Spy which has 3 Lipstick single coils, one 5 way, one vol, one tone. I like the sound of the lipsticks, but the lack of output is killing me and I would like to try some series wiring options. I purchases a couple dpdt switches with the intent of finding some diagrams and using one or both to give me some options. The problem is, I'm not as smart as I'd hoped. Searching the forum, I found this thread: guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wiring&action=display&thread=5933There are some ideas that I like there and very close to what I'm looking for. Basically, I would like the following options: mini toggle in position 1 - normal switching toggle in position 2 - 5 way: Position 1 - Neck Position 2 - Neck/Mid in Series Position 3 - Mid Position 4 - Mid/Bridge Series Position 5 - Bridge Perhaps a bridge or neck on switch as well with a second switch. I'm also open to ideas that would use one mini toggle that the 5 way also somehow allowed all 3 in series if thats possible or something like mid/bridge in series + neck - actually I really want that option and if there is a way without a second toggle, I'd like to see it. Also, my switch has 9 terminals straight across and I am a bit confused about reading a wiring diagram with the traditional switch. I'm sorry needing babied through this but I would be eternally grateful in any help with this. Or, is it possible to wire something like this, where bridge and mid or neck and middle are treated as humbuckers? 1 - Neck/Mid series 2 - Neck/Mid series plus bridge 3 - Mid 4 - Mid/bridge series plus neck 5 - Mid/bridge series something like this possible? If it is any help, this is a poor picture of the current wiring:
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Post by newey on Feb 11, 2012 22:37:45 GMT -5
ben7e- Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2! I'm not sure that your desired combinations can be done with a regular Strat 5-way switch. While I didn't get out pen and paper to try to draw it, I think a Superswitch will be needed to get series combinations at positions 2 and 4. And I'm not sure what megi's design has to do with what you want as far as series combos. The closest we have to what you want, using a stock 5-way switch, is the late, great ChrisK's "3 single coils and the S-None switch. This accesses some series combos, and uses a "special cap" to avoid redundant positions. This would be unusual. Please confirm that it is not 8 across. If it is, in fact, 9, is one of the endmost lugs perhaps to ground the metal frame of the switch? IOW, does 1 of the lugs look a bit different than the others? Thinking about your desired scheme, it might be that some variation on the Brian May switching would fill the bill. We have several variations on that wiring around, although none as I recall make use of a 5-way switch.
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Post by ben7e on Feb 11, 2012 22:54:02 GMT -5
Wow, thanks so much! I may take a look at some of those combinations but I did just stumble across this a bit ago: guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wiring&action=display&thread=4250I thought about doing the 2nd, but stuck with the first and then added a bridge on/off switch (aka studio switch under Rev terminology) I now have the following combos: Both switches off: Stock Strat style switching Mini Toggle 1 On: Adds bridge to any combo Mini Toggle 2 On: 1:Neck 2:Neck 3:Neck/Mid Series - Like a neck bucker, Add Toggle 1 and add bridge single 4:Mid/Bridge Series - Like bridge bucker plus neck single 5: Neck/Bridge Series This is a great and easy Spy Mod! You don't lose any of the original tones and add lots more. If you do the second wiring diagram on the page, you only need to add one switch.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Feb 13, 2012 17:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by ben7e on Feb 14, 2012 19:11:00 GMT -5
I might try that if I understand it correctly. Is that a superswitch that you use in that one? I have a question on the one I did. In position 4 with the "series" switch on, I understand that it is mid and bridge in series with the neck added in parallel? and then if I am in position 3 it is mid and neck in series. If I add the bridge on switch to 3rd position though, it seems like it sounds exactly the same as position 4 even though I thought that it should make it mid and neck series plus bridge. Are they the same or just sonically sound so similar that maybe I cant tell?
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Post by JFrankParnell on Feb 14, 2012 20:32:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure which of your questions are to me, but yes, i used a superswitch (schaller M). As for the series sounds, some of them do sound pretty similar to each other.
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Post by ben7e on Feb 14, 2012 21:18:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I've looked over yours some more. How do you like it? I like what I have on mine and might try yours still because it adds a few sounds what does (n+m) *b sound like? Does that mean that the bridge runs in series with each but neck and middle also send a parallel signal? What about the out of phase sounds?
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Post by newey on Feb 14, 2012 22:10:28 GMT -5
Mathematically and electrically, it's (N + M) * B. The bridge isn't in series with each, it's in series with the pair in parallel.
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Post by reTrEaD on Feb 15, 2012 0:07:23 GMT -5
yes, i used a superswitch (schaller M). It's an insult to your switch to call it a "Superswitch". It serves the same function as the 4P5T superswitch, but mechanically the Megaswitch M is a Rolls Royce by comparison. even though I thought that it should make it mid and neck series plus bridge. If you look carefully at the circuit, you'll see that the series switch makes (N*M) + B impossible. It connects the (-) wires of the Middle and Bridge pickups to the (+) wire of the Neck pickup, at the N lug of the 5way. This provides a series link. You could alter the circuit and have two switches, to move the (-) connections of the Middle and Bridge pickups separately. Or if your "studio" switch is a DPDT, you could wire that to return the (-) of the Bridge pickup to ground. Either would allow you to get (N*M) + B.
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Post by JFrankParnell on Feb 15, 2012 21:37:09 GMT -5
Newey's right on the (n+m)*b thing. As if n+m was a single pup, then the b in series with it. I just now see that i dint demo that setting in my video, but that s prolly cuz there is hardly any diff between it and n*b.
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