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Post by aprilblooms on Apr 18, 2012 13:31:20 GMT -5
Hi Guys
Can someone help me out with this wiring,using the Superswitch
1)Neck Full
2)Neck wired in Parallel + Middle Pickup
3)Both NB Pickups both coils
4)Inside Coil of Both Pickups
5)Bridge Full
all this with a DPDT Switch to get series,phase.for both humbuckers
Using a Dmarzio AirNorton S (neck),Area 67(Middle),Suhr SSH+(Bridge).
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 18, 2012 17:48:46 GMT -5
Hi aprilblooms. Welcome to Guitarnutz2! Hi Guys
Can someone help me out with this wiring,using the Superswitch
1)Neck Full [/b] 2)Neck wired in Parallel[/b] + Middle Pickup 3)Both NB Pickups both coils 4) Inside Coil[/b] of Both Pickups 5)Bridge Full all this with a DPDT Switch[/b] to get series,phase.for both humbuckers[/b] Using a Dmarzio AirNorton S (neck),Area 67(Middle),Suhr SSH+(Bridge).[/size][/quote] This is confusing, vague and contradictory. Not certain what you mean by "Both NB Pickups both coils". Maybe full (series) Neck HB in parallel with full (series) Bridge HB? But that's the least of our worries, atm. The specification of a (singular) DPDT switch for both HBs makes little sense and I don't know what "series,phase" means. Since you specify full (series), parallel, and split configuration of the HBs in specific positions of the superswitch, making any (global) changes of the HB configurations can't be done by separate switches. Maybe if refine the description of what you expect to achieve, we can move forward. But for now, I don't know what to make of this. |
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Post by aprilblooms on Apr 19, 2012 11:20:52 GMT -5
Hi
Sorry about that,ill be clearer.
1:Neck
2:Neck wired in Parallel + Middle
3:Neck + Bridge
4:Neck Inside + Bridge Inside
5:Bridge
was looking to have options of changing out of phase and also change the to series wiring or parallel wiring ,with a DPDT or SPDT switch.Don't know if I can or need more switches.Let me know if its clear now
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 19, 2012 23:05:22 GMT -5
Let me know if its clear now It isn't. was looking to have options of changing out of phase and also change the to series wiring or parallel wiring ,with a DPDT or SPDT switch.Don't know if I can or need more switches. DPDT and SPDT switches have two positions. But you would like to have ONE switch to handle TWO functions that each have two possibilities. Let's put aside the logistics of figuring out how many poles would be needed to accomplish different tasks and focus on what you would want for the result of the two positions of just ONE switch handling both functions. In position "a" of the switch, what would be the mode (series or parallel) and what would be the phase (in-phase or out-of-phase)? In position "b" of the switch, what would be the mode (series or parallel) and what would be the phase (in-phase or out-of-phase)? |
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Post by aprilblooms on Apr 20, 2012 2:00:07 GMT -5
ok ill try again....sorry abt that ... Maybe if you can clear out my doubt first. Can I have 1)Neck Full(Series) 2)Neck wired in Parallel + Middle Pickup 3)Both NB Pickups both coils(Series) 4)Inside Coil of Both Pickups (N&B) 5)Bridge Full(Series) and have one switch for each Humbucker ,which could change to parallel and another to make it out of phase.So if am on selection 1 I can change phase and change to parallel (2 different switches). or eg: selection 2:Neck can be change to series with the switch and change the phase .I suppose I will need to seperate switches for the options. And to your question In position "a" of the switch, what would be the mode (series or parallel) and what would be the phase (in-phase or out-of-phase)?series and out of Phase In position "b" of the switch, what would be the mode (series or parallel) and what would be the phase (in-phase or out-of-phase)?Parallel and in-Phase. Hope its making sense.  |
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Post by yakkmeister on Apr 20, 2012 3:34:19 GMT -5
I don't really understand what you want...
But what if you were to change the controls?
5Way:
N
NM
NB
NB - Tapped
B
then offload the series/parallel switching to another switch (one per humbucker would be simple to use) and do the same with a phase/out-of-phase switch (again, this could be easier with separate switches)?
I don't know how possible that is, though.
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Post by reTrEaD on Apr 21, 2012 15:05:39 GMT -5
I don't know how possible that is, though. It isn't (possible). At least not without having a ridiculous number of poles. Can I have 1)Neck Full(Series) 2)Neck wired in Parallel + Middle Pickup 3)Both NB Pickups both coils(Series) 4)Inside Coil of Both Pickups (N&B) 5)Bridge Full(Series) and have one switch for each Humbucker ,which could change to parallel and another to make it out of phase.So if am on selection 1 I can change phase and change to parallel (2 different switches). or eg: selection 2:Neck can be change to series with the switch and change the phase .I suppose I will need to seperate switches for the options. Nope. Won't work. In position 4 you have the HBs split to singles. The series/parallel switches for the HBs will cause problems there. Having phase switches local to the HBs will compound the problem. |
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Post by aprilblooms on Apr 24, 2012 4:55:57 GMT -5
ok
Now will have to re - think my options.
Thanks you guys..will get back once i am clearer
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Post by aprilblooms on May 7, 2012 8:35:08 GMT -5
HI Guys,
This what i would like to do with my Superswitch and Fender S1 pot.
Using a Dmarzio AirNorton S (neck),Area 67(Middle),Suhr SSH+(Bridge).Can you please help me with a wire diagram.
1: Bridge
2: Bridge outside coil & Middle
3: Bridge Outside coil & Neck Outside coil
4: Middle & Neck Outside coil
5: Neck
Second setting with the S1 Pot pressed.
1:Bridge & Neck
2:Bridge Inside Coil & Neck inside Coil
3:Middle
4:Middle & Neck
5:Middle & Bridge
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Post by reTrEaD on May 7, 2012 13:11:43 GMT -5
Can you please help me with a wire diagram. Maybe someone else can figure out how to accomplish this, but I can't. The way I see it, you have different combinations of one or two pickups being selected in the two "modes", determined by the S1. But since there is nothing in common, regarding the pickup selections between the two modes, you would need to use two poles of the superswitch to determine the pickup selections in "normal" mode and two poles of the superswitch to determine pickup selection in the "pressed" mode. Two poles of the S1 will determine whether you use poles A and B of the superswitch in the normal mode or poles C and D of the superswitch in the pressed mode. Looks pretty good so far, but you've used up all four poles of the superswitch and two of the poles of the S1. So all you have left are two poles on the S1. Let's see what other tasks we have to accomplish. Both modes of the S1 have full HBs in some positions of the superswitch and split HBs in other positions. But these splits don't have any commonality across all positions in a given mode. So they are position-specific, regarding the superswitch. And we have already used up all the poles of the superswitch. If we were willing to accept the "hanging from hot" issues that would result from selecting the series link of the HBs on the superswitch, when we need to have a split, things still look possible in the normal mode. The outside coil of each HB would always have its (-) wire connected to ground. Basically it would be on the bottom of the series "stack". But when we look at position 2 of the pressed mode, we have a serious problem. Now we want to select the INSIDE coils of the HBs. If we use the remaining poles of the S1 to shunt the outside coils to ground, we can select the specified inside coils for position 2. But doing that won't be position-specific. It will affect the HBs in ALL positions of the superswitch, when we are in the pressed mode. We could use the S1 to change the way the HBs are stacked in the pressed mode. Instead of having the outside coil on the bottom of the stack for each HB, we would have the inside coil on the bottom. But this would require 4 poles. Two poles to restack each HB. But you only have two poles available on the S1. Two are already being used with the superswitch, to manage pickup selection. Maybe someone else can sort it out for you, but I can't. |
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Post by aprilblooms on May 7, 2012 23:54:04 GMT -5
hey Thankx.......
Can you atleast help me with the wire diagram for the first setting,will use a regular VPot,with the superswitch.Till someone cracks the setting with an S1.
Hope someone can help me with this....
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Post by newey on May 8, 2012 5:01:52 GMT -5
aprilblooms- The Artist Formerly Known As RT is right, I can't see how you can get those exact settings with just a Superswitch and an S-1. We may be able to get close to what you want, if the settings do not have to be in the exact order you have specified. But there isn't going to be any magical "cracking the S-1 setting" . . . I'll see what I can do with the first set as far as a diagram, but it may be a few days in coming, as real work intrudes . . .  |
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Post by aprilblooms on May 8, 2012 13:11:39 GMT -5
AWESOME --newey
Thankx a lot.......will wait for the first diagram.....
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Post by newey on May 8, 2012 22:01:06 GMT -5
Well, before you give me an "Awesome"- I lied a little bit. I didn't do a wiring diagram, I did a schematic diagram   It is much easier for me to work in schematic form, and much easier for someone else to double-check my work (which is a necessary process where my diagrams are concerned . . .). So, your challenge is to convert this to a wiring diagram that you can use to wire it into your guitar (assuming it checks out OK). IOW, I'm advocating a "learn by doing" approach here- I'll give you a leg up but you'll have to climb from here. A few notes about the diagram here: First, I selected wire colors to aid legibility, not to mimic the actual colors of your pickup wires. You're using 2 DMs and a Suhr. You will need to correlate the DiMarzio wire colors to the Suhr's, and then apply the correct wire colors to the wiring diagram. Second, because you have two different brands of pickups, you will likely need to test the coil polarities to be sure that the outside coils of neck and bridge are going to be hum-cancelling when combined. And the same with the middle pup. Also, you will notice that I used all 4 poles of the Superswitch to do this- as The Unpronounceable One predicted. I actually think that this much can, at least, be done with only three poles- there is probably a more streamlined way of setting this up so as to save a pole. I stared at it for a while, and in the end opted for the quick and easy method rather than engaging in more staring . . .  The point is, this is a diagram that does the first 5 combos you wanted, exactly in the order you specified. But it doesn't do any more than just that. I haven't set the scheme up so as to easily integrate an S-1 or other switching- and I don't know that integration is even possible |
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Post by reTrEaD on May 9, 2012 10:30:57 GMT -5
It is much easier for me to work in schematic form, and much easier for someone else to double-check my work (which is a necessary process where my diagrams are concerned . . .). The schematic looks like it will provide the combinations listed in the legend. I can't see accomplishing this with three poles without hanging from hot issues. Position 3 requires both HBs to be split. And if you're willing to accept the hanging from hot, two poles are all that are necessary to get these pickup selections. Oh, and if he doesn't give you an awesome, I will. and a +1 |
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Post by yakkmeister on May 9, 2012 21:45:49 GMT -5
Just a thought ...
Couldn't you just place the pickups top-to-top and see if it attracts or repels to determine this?
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Post by newey on May 9, 2012 22:28:35 GMT -5
To determine N and S coils for hum-cancelling purposes, yes, that's the way to do it.
But that won't tell you if the different types of pickups will be wired in phase or not. To assure correct phasing, 'bloomy will need to either correlate the wire colors between the two brands, or perform the "screwdriver pull-off test".
Of course, the "wire-it-and-pray" method also works- pick a pair of wires, solder and pray it's in phase. You have a 50% chance of being right.
If not, then you get to disassemble it again and swap the connections around. Not so bad on a rear-entry model, but a PITA on a Strat with a pickguard.
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Post by aprilblooms on May 9, 2012 23:52:24 GMT -5
Alright.......  Let me do this and let you know....and yup thanks on all the possible methods to chk the pole/phase.....  Cheers |
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Post by yakkmeister on May 10, 2012 20:17:18 GMT -5
To determine N and S coils for hum-cancelling purposes, yes, that's the way to do it. But that won't tell you if the different types of pickups will be wired in phase or not. ... Yeah, I only meant to check for N/S polarity... |
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