Series both ways in a Tele?

[ChristoMephisto]

My tele is wired up with a 5way super switch with the three standards and series B>N and B>-N.
Series into neck is just a harder neck sound, OoP into neck has that nice quack sound (more energy due to string vibrations).
Did series into bridge long time ago, remember it sounded really good, but the OoP was lacking in sound, so kept with the series in to neck.

Would it be a waste of time to change it to the more popular in phase series being neck into bridge (N>B)?
There's and empty pole on the 5way so it would be easy to wire it in.

It has two tone pots so the N>B would have the 'Broadbucker' effect when rolling back the neck's tone pot.

There's no tone pot on the neck at B>-N but by rolling back the bridge's tone pot you can warm up the sound, almost thicken it

[reTrEaD]

I'd have to see diagrams to be able to tell if there is something peculiar about what you are doing. But it would seem B>N should be identical to N>B.

[sbgodofmetal]

Yes a diagram would be most exelent with posting haste ;D

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[ChristoMephisto]

Jun 5, 2012 15:19:08 GMT -5 reTrEaD said:

I'd have to see diagrams to be able to tell if there is something peculiar about what you are doing. But it would seem B>N should be identical to N>B.

your saying a tele bridge into neck is going to sound the same as neck into tele bridge?

i'll mock up a drawing when the patio beer works its way through...

Here's a marked up copy from the T-riffic tele wiring
the order is N, N+B, N>B, B>-N, B


you could wire this direct with the the stock volume/tone pot, add a tone pot to each pup's positive/hot, add a cap in between the pups for series(red or blue wire), or if your a fan of the low cut with SOoP, replace the purple wire between tabs 2 & 4 on the top half of the switch with a cap.

Worth trying?

[newey]

RT's right, it should sound the same. In series, as in math, A * B = B * A.

If you insert a cap, however, the order may make a difference, since the cap is affecting one pickup and not the other. Same with individual tone controls.

As JohnH has noted several times, he thinks the "half out-of-phase" sounds better with N>Cap>B since it gives the full bridge sound with a bit of the low-end from the neck to thicken up the mix.

As you noted in the other thread, this is very similar to the diagram I recently posted. I didn't figure mine was an original idea, but I had never looked at the T-riffic wiring before. Mine does use only 3 poles, so you'd have the fourth for switching the 2 tones in/out.

Don't know because I haven't tried it, but ChrisK had a module which switched 2 tone controls from "series mode" to "parallel mode" (rheostat vs. potentiometer wiring is the difference). The fourth pole could probably be used to do this switching as well. This can help the operation of individual tone controls when in series.

I'll have to see if I can find that in the basement here . . .

[reTrEaD]

Jun 5, 2012 17:46:08 GMT -5 ChristoMephisto said:

add a tone pot to each pup's positive/hot,

Pay attention to what you're doing here, or you might get something different from what you expect. For instance, if the tone pots (and capacitors) are connected between the hot of the respective pickups and system ground, the tone pot for the pickup that is "raised" in the series mode will affect BOTH pickups in that mode. The tone pot for the pickup that remains referenced to ground will continue to shunt highs for only the pickup it is assigned to. This high shunting of the "lower" pickup will permit the high frequencies of the "raised" pickup to be accentuated. It's like a variable version of the one-pickup-is-cap-bypassed series configuration.

In short, if you connect tone controls directly to the hot and cold wires of the pickups, it's easy to predict how they will act. But if you use system ground for one connection (or system hot for one connection) the action of the tone pot can change according to series or parallel.

If you wanna get really tricky, you could even have a master tone control and another tone control that bypasses one pickup in the series mode, but does absolutely nothing in the series mode. And this doesn't require extra poles on the switches. It's just a matter of where you connect to the existing wiring.

[ChristoMephisto]

Took a bit, but finally got what you were saying,
the tone pots has to be isolated with the pickup it's assigned to for series
Like the JH's Jimmy Page guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=schem&action=display&thread=3159

The neck tone pot gets wired to the 5way ss, at the pos/neg, and when its thrown into the SOoP B>-N, the tone pot gets reversed too?
That might be good so the 'Broadbucking' effect is on instead of rolling back the tone pot if the tone pot was reversed. Gotta look into if that can be done...