4 way switch + a pull push w/hot rails for tele

[tansu]

Hey guys,
I'm really desperate, I got these pickup set recently: Seymour Duncan Hot Rails��� for Tele STHR-1b/STHR-1n... These are very new I can find the standard wiring easily, and in the diagram it also shows coil splitting, which I also favor... not to mention the fact that mine is a custom built telecaster...

Here is the deal, I want to have a pull push potentiometer for coil splitting and a 4 way switch for serial sound both at the same setup...

Can you help me with the diagram? 

[Deleted]

IMO coil splitting and 4-way switch for serial/whatever sound could be considered two separate things. You can view the push-pull pot for coil-splitting + the pups as one unit/module and the 4-way switch as an other. So, you could start implementing wiring for the coil splitting, and after you have that ready, you could proceed with wiring the switch.

[4real]

Have you considered something like a 5 way super switch or similar. Is this a typical telecaster? Pictures?

The pickup set is this?
www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/telecaster/high-output/hot_rails_for_t/

Perhaps think about the goals you seek from these...music, amps and such...

For instance, for me 'noiseless' is important tnad 'splitting' is often asking for noise and SC sized HBs can some times not be the greatest. Another thing to consider is that often high powred pups 'parallel' really well and sound very much like the 'split' and is still noiseless.

You might consider some of the options and maybe even do something very different and 'custom'...

My tele can be found here...


guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5318/blueteleful-kahler-sustainer-tele

Some of the things I considered was placing the volume to the front, an easy to use 3-way gibson like selector and a push pull volume for a phase. I tried a HOoP in it like my strat but prefered the full phase with these pups. The middle control and back switch is for the sustainer and the tone control is standard with the battery under. The whole thing was able to fit in the standard tiny tele cavity.

All positions are noiesless and although has an HB in the bridge, a very 'bright' sounding guitar.

Anyway...something to think about perhaps and a super switch can do some amazing things and adding a push-pull or two can expand things even further...my strat 'looks stock' and yet has dozens of pickup combinations with creative use of a superswitch...I'm sure there are people here that are betterthan I to devise schemes, but perhaps look at some of the options for a 2XHB like an LP or a 'superstrat' and ignore the middle pup (on my strat the middle pup alone is the only option not available)...

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5413/mahogany-hss-contemporary-strat

This one in the gallery uses a superswitch and a push pull...



neck, neck and bridge series, neck and bridge parallel, bridge, bridge straight to jack (solo tone) ... push pull pot for tone cap: .022uf with it down, .1uf with it pulled up

I'm sure with twin HBs you can look at other options...

[tansu]

Jul 31, 2013 1:41:55 GMT -5 @pyrros said:

IMO coil splitting and 4-way switch for serial/whatever sound could be considered two separate things. You can view the push-pull pot for coil-splitting + the pups as one unit/module and the 4-way switch as an other. So, you could start implementing wiring for the coil splitting, and after you have that ready, you could proceed with wiring the switch.

Thanks, you see I'm that ignorant. alright I'm gonna look at both diagrams.. 

[tansu]

Ok that also was helpful, I really appreciate your effort to show all these. Each is cool. I'm definitely not gonna go for a floyd rose, I might try a bigsby for my next guitar though. 5 way. I dunno bout that maybe. I already paid a good sum for the 4 way switch. It's too expensive thanks to my governments policies... They're just great(sigh)

Jul 31, 2013 3:16:26 GMT -5 4real said:

Have you considered something like a 5 way super switch or similar. Is this a typical telecaster? Pictures
The pickup set is this?
www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/telecaster/high-output/hot_rails_for_t/

Perhaps think about the goals you seek from these...music, amps and such...

For instance, for me 'noiseless' is important tnad 'splitting' is often asking for noise and SC sized HBs can some times not be the greatest. Another thing to consider is that often high powred pups 'parallel' really well and sound very much like the 'split' and is still noiseless.

You might consider some of the options and maybe even do something very different and 'custom'...

My tele can be found here...


guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5318/blueteleful-kahler-sustainer-tele

Some of the things I considered was placing the volume to the front, an easy to use 3-way gibson like selector and a push pull volume for a phase. I tried a HOoP in it like my strat but prefered the full phase with these pups. The middle control and back switch is for the sustainer and the tone control is standard with the battery under. The whole thing was able to fit in the standard tiny tele cavity.

All positions are noiesless and although has an HB in the bridge, a very 'bright' sounding guitar.

Anyway...something to think about perhaps and a super switch can do some amazing things and adding a push-pull or two can expand things even further...my strat 'looks stock' and yet has dozens of pickup combinations with creative use of a superswitch...I'm sure there are people here that are betterthan I to devise schemes, but perhaps look at some of the options for a 2XHB like an LP or a 'superstrat' and ignore the middle pup (on my strat the middle pup alone is the only option not available)...

guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/5413/mahogany-hss-contemporary-strat

This one in the gallery uses a superswitch and a push pull...



neck, neck and bridge series, neck and bridge parallel, bridge, bridge straight to jack (solo tone) ... push pull pot for tone cap: .022uf with it down, .1uf with it pulled up

I'm sure with twin HBs you can look at other options...

[4real]

Again, it is more what you are trying to achieve I think. If being noiseless matters one might consider a local 'series parallel' switch for the push pull say for both pups with the normal N,N+B,B and somethings else, not sure if it is poassible, but perhaps NxB as another position...this would likely be a bit of a darker sound...or perhaps some kind of tone circuit like the JD tele that simulates a strat's N+M sound...

One thing you perhaps consider and one of the cool things about tele's is that you can mount the pups and string it all up and mess with the wiring as you hear what the guitar sounds like, ten you could detirmine things like what these things sound like 'split' and 'parallel'...if the later is more preferable and noise cancelling, I'd perhaps consider that myself.

There are ways one could incorporate splitting into the tone control but often this function is tricky with parallel wiring things...

It is not the number of 'ways' that matter in a switch, but how many 'poles' or connections in the switch...a superswich as shown is a 5x 4 pole switch which gives enormous flexibility, a more typical switch is only 2 pole...perhaps send a picture or details of the swtch at hand so one can detirmine what is possible with it?