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Post by drlfsoares on May 19, 2014 9:12:46 GMT -5
Good morning. I need help to wiring my Fender Strat with HSH. I recently bought a Dimarzio Super Distortion S (bridge) and Chopper (neck) pickup. I'll keep the middle pickup (Fender Noiseless). There is the possibility of making split coil on bridge and neck pickups? Keeping the 3 knobs and the 5 ways switch? Need wiring schematics, please. Something like the this picture. PS: sorry my English, I'm from Brazil. Thanks... Attachments:
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Post by newey on May 19, 2014 11:07:18 GMT -5
drlfsoares-
Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!
What you want to do is possible, but it isn't exactly clear from the 3 diagrams what you want here. You have two different diagrams labelled with the "volume pot down". It can only be one of those two ways with the volume pot down (unless you have two volume pots, each with a push/pull?).
In any event, it's confusing. You could have both of the schemes labelled "Volume pot down", but you'd need an extra P/P pot (to replace one of the tone pots, presumably) in order to get all three diagrams you show as options.
Also, how is the guitar wired at present? Was (or is) it a standard Strat wiring to begin with?
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Post by drlfsoares on May 19, 2014 11:25:35 GMT -5
Yes I know that I can use only one "volume pot down" option. I just don't know how to wiring. This is what I really want. What kind of potentiometer i'll need? Better 1 volume and 2 tones? 2 volumes and 1 tone?
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Post by newey on May 19, 2014 12:57:12 GMT -5
OK, so the guitar will have a single P/P pot which will be used to switch both HBs to single-coil operation simultaneously. That is easily done, and we can point you to any number of diagrams which will do that. It will be up to you to correlate the DiMarzio wire colors to the diagram, unless we can find one already drawn with the DM wire colors.
You will need to buy a P/P pot. As far as the pot values go, that's a matter of personal preference. But you can certainly re-use whatever tone pots are in the guitar now. No real reason to change them. The are probably 250K pots, 5oo K pots would make the HBs sound a bit brighter if that would be to your liking, but it's not a big deal either way. You can buy a 500K P/P for the volume, and keep the existing 250K tone pots (assuming that's what's in there now). That would be a good compromise.
As far as two tones versus two volume pots, that too is a matter of preference. However, if you do want to switch to two volume pots instead of two tones, you should look at JohnH's "Strat with 2 volumes" scheme. This uses a dual-gang pot for the master tone, which is the better way to go if you're going to use dual volume pots.
The nice thing about 2 volume pots is that it can allow you to preset a higher volume for the bridge pickup for soloing, assuming you use one of the two pots as a bridge volume.
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Post by drlfsoares on May 19, 2014 13:21:27 GMT -5
Can you attach some of this HSH wiring here?? I'm kinda think that 2 volume push pull pots is better. I need a versatile guitar.
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Post by drlfsoares on May 19, 2014 14:32:12 GMT -5
Maybe this one?
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Post by newey on May 19, 2014 21:16:45 GMT -5
The diagram you posted will do as you have specified. It even (apparently) has the appropriate wire colors for DM pickups in the N and B positions. Now the diagram above has the regular Strat-ish pot setup, with a master volume, and a neck tone and middle tone. There is no bridge tone, and in position 4 (N + M), one has two tone pots connected in parallel, and they will interact with each other in that position. (As an aside, I own several Strat clone types, and I prefer that there be a neck tone and a bridge tone. One can move a single wire to move the standard middle tone pot over to the bridge position. It's the easiest Strat mod ever, and has more "bang for the buck" than any other Strat mod, since it costs nothing . . .) As JohnH notes, having the 2 volumes can be useful for presetting one or the other pickup(s). But the master tone will do best with a dual gang pot, so that each pickup will get its own "tone pot", but they'll be connected to a common shaft and turned with one knob. Wiring it is just like wiring a Les Paul or an SG with dual volumes and dual tones, you're just using one dual-gang pot instead of two separate pots for the tones. Here's the link: JohnH's "Strat with 2 Volume Controls"Page down through that post, and you'll see that John has a HHH version which has coil splits, and could be very similar to what you want to do. Simply ignore the fact that the diagram shows a middle HB, and wire your middle pickup just like a single coil would otherwise be wired, + and - only. His diagram can be a starting point for you, and we can adjust accordingly to your wishes, since you have a HSH set-up..
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Post by jdub on Jul 14, 2017 21:50:47 GMT -5
Wiring Update:
Ok, so once I saw John's diagram a few dim lights came on inside my wee brain, and I have been able to wire my proposed setup. I have been able to test each part of it, and confirm continuity except for lug 2 (what I have wired to + on the output jack) of the volume pot. The pot is getting signal, verified with lug 1 of volume pot, but won't pass anything on the multimeter and when the volume is turned up all I get is a crazy hum. I have also switched out the volume pot for another but still get the same overbearing hum, and no sound from the pickups when I tap on them.
Does this sound like a familiar problem you recognize?? Or is my wiring just junk, and I'm passing continuity by chance?? I feel like I'm close as my switches, etc... effect signal as they should...or so it seems, but I just can't get the master volume to play nice. I know it's just poking and hoping without a diagram, which I can generate, just thought you might hear the symptom and have an idea of what it might likely be.
Thanks, JW
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Post by JohnH on Jul 14, 2017 23:07:27 GMT -5
A good overall test is to plug in a guitar cord and measure resistance across the cord, tip to barrel. Start with a 200k setting. What should happen is with volume at zero, resistance = zero. Resistance rises as you increase volume to a maximum of about 1/4 of the volume pot value, which should happen at about 6 or 7 on a log pot or 5 on a linear pot. Then keep increasing volume and resistance falls until at max volume it is just under the resistance of the pickup.
hat readings do you get? if it goes off the scale try a 2M setting.
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Post by jdub on Jul 14, 2017 23:35:55 GMT -5
Thanks John, here is what I get:
Volume Pot = 334 ohm (500k linear pot w/1m resistor) At first I thought the issue could be the audio pot I had installed so swapped out to check, but issue remains.
Pickup Tested = 9.4 ohm
When volume pot is at 0 = 2.8 ohm
When volume pot is half way = 138 ohm
When volume pot is at 10 = 3.0 ohm
Thoughts??
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Post by jdub on Jul 14, 2017 23:39:20 GMT -5
One more thing...and I'm assuming this is normal...but now that pot is wired in I can no longer get its over value using L1 & L3.
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Post by JohnH on Jul 15, 2017 1:49:04 GMT -5
Thanks John, here is what I get: Volume Pot = 334 ohm (500k linear pot w/1m resistor) At first I thought the issue could be the audio pot I had installed so swapped out to check, but issue remains.Pickup Tested = 9.4 ohm When volume pot is at 0 = 2.8 ohm When volume pot is half way = 138 ohm When volume pot is at 10 = 3.0 ohm Thoughts?? Just to be clear, on a 200k scale, your readings are in Kilo ohms ie thousands of ohms and that is written as k. ie, if you have a hottish pickup, it could well be 9.4k. The 138 looks ok if its actually 138k not 138ohms, but the 2.8 should not be 2.8k but could be 2.8ohms (ie very low, if you were reading it on a 200 Ohm scale. The 3.0 value is also strange.
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