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Post by studiostriver on Mar 18, 2015 17:05:36 GMT -5
Hello guys.Recently I bought used EBMM JP7.Here are few pictures of this beauty.  www.dropbox.com/s/64xgjfvbn2wp2zh/SAM_1396.JPG?dl=0 www.dropbox.com/s/dcf7jcdvr4m5y7h/SAM_1386.JPG?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/dr0pjon5zaz2ug7/SAM_1402.JPG?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/zj0c22yh72fziuf/SAM_1411.JPG?dl=0I find some little things lacking for such a high end guitar.I will write what stuff I wanna upgrade and you guys if know certain brand/manufacturer(I`m kind feel weird to upgrade such a guitar with Chinese made,sometimes they do the job very well)suggest me some good quality products please. 1st thing guitar do not possess string Retainer and string rollers. I`ll post some I found on ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/rollen-roller-string-tree-trees-chrom-flach-6-5-mm/380479555867?hash=item589659491bwww.ebay.com/itm/original-floyd-rose-string-retainer-for-7-string-guitar-chrome-hardware-included/361227442979?hash=item541ad55b232nd,it needs shielding,is there any difference in quality of material?If there is tell me,I am not aware of.  www.ebay.com/itm/copper-foil-tape-emi-conductive-adhesive-shielding-for-guitar-3cm-30m-durable/161550315243?hash=item259d262eeb3rd,I need tremolo stopper/stabilizer...Some saying it add some noise.The best solution I found is Tremol No ,but some people saying they feel little rigid for heavier usage of tremolo.Is that true? www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Tremol-No-Tremolo-Locking-Device-Pin-Type-W-Hardware-/330941619484?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0da85d1cor to use more simple ones?: www.ebay.com/itm/new-esp-arming-adjuster-3-set-guitar-bridge-floydrose-free-shipping-from-japan/121595787028?hash=item1c4fac7714www.ebay.com/itm/guitartechs-tremolo-stopper-stabilizer-for-floyd-rose-fender-trem-bridge/281376273300?hash=item41835533944th,I found that Free-Way 6-position toggle switch very desirable. www.freewayswitch.com/Some says,the quality is not very good,that it breaks after few months of using.Does anyone have experience with this product? 5th, suggest me the best push pull/regular pots 500k and input jack mono that you can think of. 6th ,the last little experimental question,are paper oil caps gonna make any audible sweeter difference in tone? www.ebay.com/itm/rs-guitarworks-guitar-cap-022-uf-100v-5-tolerance-capacitor-great-tone-cap/291012946793?hash=item43c1b92b69www.ebay.com/itm/0-022uf-630v-pio-capacitors-k40y-9-lot-of-1-nos/261041303404?hash=item3cc7462f6cThanks in advance for all suggestions. |
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Post by newey on Mar 18, 2015 21:39:03 GMT -5
I'll respond to a few of these items, the others I don't know enough about to give any advice.
I've used the Rollen roller string trees on several guitars, they work well and I like them a lot. I think they save strings as compared to the stock Fender Strat-style trees, and turning the tuning knobs seems smoother with them. As to whether they help with tuning stability with vibrato bridges, I dunno, I don't use whammy bars enough to judge.
I think most of the stuff you read on the net about paper-oil caps is nonsense. Save your money.
As for shielding, I've used copper and aluminum both, and both work well. The link you posted is to the copper tape with the conductive adhesive- that's the stuff you want, IMO. It's not that it works any better, it's just a lot easier to deal with, because you simply overlap the strips and the conductive adhesive makes the whole thing into one conductive surface. With just the regular copper tape, you have to either solder the strips to each other, or do some complex fold-over-and-tape procedure to ensure continuity. Either of those ways is a pain in the posterior.
The link you posted is for a 3 cm wide roll. Stewart-MacDonald (and others as well)sell wider rolls, and I advise to buy the wider stuff, there's fewer seams that way, and you can always cut the wider stock into narrower strips, as needed for the sides of the cavity, etc. The job will look a lot neater, too, with fewer overlapping seams (this only really matters if, like me, you're anal enough to worry about how the inside of your guitar looks . . )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 0:21:42 GMT -5
Prijatelju,
your guitar has no string trees, and no retainer bar because simply it does not need them. I would consider it a major design flaw if it needed them and didn't have them stock. Plus, you will royally ruin your headstock by drilling if you start messing around with it. I mean dropping its resale value.
Does your open notes have a sitar sound? No? that's fine, dont change anything. Yes? return the guitar. If you are still unable to return it, then start experimenting with string retain bars and string trees.
Shielding. Sorry to say, but it does not make any difference, unless you have single coils. Most hum is picked up by the ... well pick ups. And those are in the open picking up EMI. Nothing you can do, besides putting some decent pups in there. (All Dimarzios I have are 100% noiseless, at least in series wiring. Parallel still hums a little).
On the trem, this is a proprietary design by Music Man, maybe hold on a little, join some community of ppl with this brand/model and start talking to them about possible upgrades. No one from here has anything close.
On the 6-way switch, you are on the right forum! That's my sole comment here! But this should be a separate thread.
Dimarzio push-pulls are pretty good. I had no success finding no-load push-pulls tho.
As Newey said, paper oils caps, etc... are snake oil actually.
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 19, 2015 5:42:24 GMT -5
Prijatelju, your guitar has no string trees, and no retainer bar because simply it does not need them. I would consider it a major design flaw if it needed them and didn't have them stock. Plus, you will royally ruin your headstock by drilling if you start messing around with it. I mean dropping its resale value. Does your open notes have a sitar sound? No? that's fine, dont change anything. Yes? return the guitar. If you are still unable to return it, then start experimenting with string retain bars and string trees. Shielding. Sorry to say, but it does not make any difference, unless you have single coils. Most hum is picked up by the ... well pick ups. And those are in the open picking up EMI. Nothing you can do, besides putting some decent pups in there. (All Dimarzios I have are 100% noiseless, at least in series wiring. Parallel still hums a little). On the trem, this is a proprietary design by Music Man, maybe hold on a little, join some community of ppl with this brand/model and start talking to them about possible upgrades. No one from here has anything close. On the 6-way switch, you are on the right forum! That's my sole comment here! But this should be a separate thread. Dimarzio push-pulls are pretty good. I had no success finding no-load push-pulls tho. As Newey said, paper oils caps, etc... are snake oil actually. I don`t wanna sell it,and resale it in my life time,this guitar best suits to me.All the changes I won`t do myself,paying guitar luthier for the jobs.All suggestions are concerning about quality of parts I needed. Height of the strings on head varied,and I wanna make them perfectly alined.And 3rd string is above any others cause it is last on headstock. I wanna do shielding cause,planning to use push pull for single coil options on these pickups as well. I asked are there people who using this particular tremolo stabilizers i mentioned above?I do not have problem with Music Man tremolo at all.The best tremolo I ever taste in my life.I just wanna when I changing the strings to block my tremolo cause it is floating type like Floyd Rose,just in vintage Strat version. Yes,I`ll to make separate post about new freeway 6 position toggle switch.I just wanted to hear peoples opinions about quality of the product. Considering DiMarzio push pulls.Thanks for all suggestions. |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 19, 2015 5:52:11 GMT -5
I'll respond to a few of these items, the others I don't know enough about to give any advice. I've used the Rollen roller string trees on several guitars, they work well and I like them a lot. I think they save strings as compared to the stock Fender Strat-style trees, and turning the tuning knobs seems smoother with them. As to whether they help with tuning stability with vibrato bridges, I dunno, I don't use whammy bars enough to judge. I think most of the stuff you read on the net about paper-oil caps is nonsense. Save your money. As for shielding, I've used copper and aluminum both, and both work well. The link you posted is to the copper tape with the conductive adhesive- that's the stuff you want, IMO. It's not that it works any better, it's just a lot easier to deal with, because you simply overlap the strips and the conductive adhesive makes the whole thing into one conductive surface. With just the regular copper tape, you have to either solder the strips to each other, or do some complex fold-over-and-tape procedure to ensure continuity. Either of those ways is a pain in the posterior. The link you posted is for a 3 cm wide roll. Stewart-MacDonald (and others as well)sell wider rolls, and I advise to buy the wider stuff, there's fewer seams that way, and you can always cut the wider stock into narrower strips, as needed for the sides of the cavity, etc. The job will look a lot neater, too, with fewer overlapping seams (this only really matters if, like me, you're anal enough to worry about how the inside of your guitar looks . . ) Rollen roller check, Wider copper shielding check, No paperoil caps check. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 9:55:54 GMT -5
Height of the strings on head varied,and I wanna make them perfectly alined.And 3rd string is above any others cause it is last on headstock. String trees and string retainers are similar but serve different purposes : String trees are usually installed on strats (by the factory) because of no headstock break angle, in order to help open notes on highest 4 or 2 strings, to avoid this horrible sitar sound effect. String retainers are usually installed on floyd rose locking nut equipped guitars in which there is not enough tension to keep the strings down and thus avoid the strings pulling the nut pads upwards, and thus screwing tuning, and also having a constant force in opposite of the pad blocks. In which category does your guitar belong? |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 19, 2015 11:09:25 GMT -5
Height of the strings on head varied,and I wanna make them perfectly alined.And 3rd string is above any others cause it is last on headstock. String trees and string retainers are similar but serve different purposes : String trees are usually installed on strats (by the factory) because of no headstock break angle, in order to help open notes on highest 4 or 2 strings, to avoid this horrible sitar sound effect. String retainers are usually installed on floyd rose locking nut equipped guitars in which there is not enough tension to keep the strings down and thus avoid the strings pulling the nut pads upwards, and thus screwing tuning, and also having a constant force in opposite of the pad blocks. In which category does your guitar belong? To be the honest I do not have any problem with guitar at all.Everything is tip top.Even string action is ridiculously small in compare to FR guitars and still no string buzzing anywhere on the fretboard. I just saw few people on You Tube with JP7 and the have string trees added to headstock,simply to aline all strings from nut to tuners,know 4th and 3rd strings are little bit above the others.And I am of thinking that it will diminished tension from nut to last tuners D and G string. www.dropbox.com/s/tnc5ptpe4g3xwz8/SAM_1593.JPG?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/fr53fba90m35q81/SAM_1594.JPG?dl=0Sorry for bad picture,daylight here has gone.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:20:05 GMT -5
Then save your powers to fix problems that exist. BTW ridiculously low action has very few to do with floyd roses.
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Post by cynical1 on Mar 19, 2015 13:42:22 GMT -5
Pretty much all of the things I would offer has already been offered. Benefits of being a slacker...
As far as the roller string trees are concerned, if you don't have a problem with break over at the nut you won't see any advantage to installing them.
Only comment on the copper shielding, (which is all I ever use) make sure the adhesive is conductive, or you'll be soldering every strip to each other. About as much fun as watching meat defrost.
That's it for me.
Happy Trails
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 19, 2015 14:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 19, 2015 14:33:28 GMT -5
Pretty much all of the things I would offer has already been offered. Benefits of being a slacker... As far as the roller string trees are concerned, if you don't have a problem with break over at the nut you won't see any advantage to installing them. Only comment on the copper shielding, (which is all I ever use) make sure the adhesive is conductive, or you'll be soldering every strip to each other. About as much fun as watching meat defrost. That's it for me. Happy Trails Cynical One Well,I`m not into advantages as far as roller trees concern.I just wanna make things neat. Thanks for tip about copper shielding.I`ll keep that in mind. |
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Post by nikogo on Mar 19, 2015 15:19:54 GMT -5
The paper-in-oil capacitors have one specific feature - lots of coils of conductive layer. It has some inductance that has resonant frequency outside of guitar spectrum and does not affect the lower frequency, but kills the parasitic resonances in pickup-capacitor contour.
You can experiment adding small coil in series with ceramic capacitor in high-cut filter to see if the sound becomes cleaner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 0:30:27 GMT -5
Of course it has nothing to do with Floyd Roses.No Floyd Rose can achieve low action in compare to vintage tremolo style guitars. You can have ultra low action, or high action and buzzing all over, both with vintage and floyd rose guitars.... COVECE aide misli malo sami jesu |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 20, 2015 4:33:04 GMT -5
Of course it has nothing to do with Floyd Roses.No Floyd Rose can achieve low action in compare to vintage tremolo style guitars. You can have ultra low action, or high action and buzzing all over, both with vintage and floyd rose guitars.... COVECE aide misli malo sami jesu I do not know what is your problem man?Of course every guitar can get low,high and buzzing on every type of guitar.I wrote those above from my experience.I`m not a child. Before I become guitar player I`ve been playing drums for about 15 years.Changed 6 bands,touring with them at most time,with only one I done studio recordings,and I never met anyone who used FR and had very low action without getting buzz on low strings.I personally never saw that,and even with my Hellraiser also had some struggles. I didn`t say it is impossible,but FR is pain in the butt for those things,that is for sure. |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 20, 2015 7:31:02 GMT -5
Ok,bro.What would be the best solution in your opinion,shielding with copper,paint or spray? The paper-in-oil capacitors have one specific feature - lots of coils of conductive layer. It has some inductance that has resonant frequency outside of guitar spectrum and does not affect the lower frequency, but kills the parasitic resonances in pickup-capacitor contour. You can experiment adding small coil in series with ceramic capacitor in high-cut filter to see if the sound becomes cleaner. Oh,I will have to investigate on this subject little bit more...I can`t imagine what result would be of this experimenting. |
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Post by nikogo on Mar 20, 2015 8:44:45 GMT -5
"Ok,bro.What would be the best solution in your opinion,shielding with copper,paint or spray?" Both work. The Nickel spray is used in professional equipment for shielding. As for me, it is much more convenient to deal with. I was able to shield long drilled channels by spraying. |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 20, 2015 13:15:08 GMT -5
"Ok,bro.What would be the best solution in your opinion,shielding with copper,paint or spray?" Both work. The Nickel spray is used in professional equipment for shielding. As for me, it is much more convenient to deal with. I was able to shield long drilled channels by spraying. This spray is hard to find at normal prices,at least for my country.But I will see if my guitar tech/luthier maybe have some. |
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Post by JFrankParnell on Mar 20, 2015 17:27:18 GMT -5
#3 I use a trem stopper that looks just like that ESP that you linked to. I love it. It's got enough pressure that your palm wont push you sharp, but you can still pull up.
OTOH, I noticed, the other day that my trem block isnt touching it, anymore (maybe cuz i changed to a different brand of strings or sth). And I havent really noticed myself pushing it sharp. I've been playing alot with palm muting lately, so I'd think that I'd've had the sharpening problem... Maybe my technique is getting better, I've been prakking like a mofo, lately.
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 20, 2015 19:54:47 GMT -5
#3 I use a trem stopper that looks just like that ESP that you linked to. I love it. It's got enough pressure that your palm wont push you sharp, but you can still pull up. OTOH, I noticed, the other day that my trem block isnt touching it, anymore (maybe cuz i changed to a different brand of strings or sth). And I havent really noticed myself pushing it sharp. I've been playing alot with palm muting lately, so I'd think that I'd've had the sharpening problem... Maybe my technique is getting better, I've been prakking like a mofo, lately. So it worked good for you.Do you noticed maybe stiffness in using tremolo if you use it with tremolo block turned on?Or it is more or less the same? Cheers. |
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Post by JFrankParnell on Mar 20, 2015 21:21:52 GMT -5
#3 I use a trem stopper that looks just like that ESP that you linked to. I love it. It's got enough pressure that your palm wont push you sharp, but you can still pull up. OTOH, I noticed, the other day that my trem block isnt touching it, anymore (maybe cuz i changed to a different brand of strings or sth). And I havent really noticed myself pushing it sharp. I've been playing alot with palm muting lately, so I'd think that I'd've had the sharpening problem... Maybe my technique is getting better, I've been prakking like a mofo, lately. So it worked good for you.Do you noticed maybe stiffness in using tremolo if you use it with tremolo block turned on?Or it is more or less the same? Cheers. Well, when you dive it, there is no difference, it is not interfering or touching anything. When you pull up, there is definitely more resistance, like it's maybe twice as hard to pull up as to dive. It's ok, though, unless youre Jeff Beck. Overall, if you have issues with pushing the trem sharp with your palm, you should get it. They are cheap and dont require visible mods to the guitar. Easy to put on, easy to adjust. Has zero effect on the playability and tone of the guitar, except when pulling up (and then, the difference is only the added resistance in the pull). I've purposely left mine un-adjusted (basically it is having zero effect) cuz we're playing Helter Skelter in my band and am ramming my palm into it to get that out of tune sound |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 21, 2015 5:08:04 GMT -5
So it worked good for you.Do you noticed maybe stiffness in using tremolo if you use it with tremolo block turned on?Or it is more or less the same? Cheers. Well, when you dive it, there is no difference, it is not interfering or touching anything. When you pull up, there is definitely more resistance, like it's maybe twice as hard to pull up as to dive. It's ok, though, unless youre Jeff Beck. Overall, if you have issues with pushing the trem sharp with your palm, you should get it. They are cheap and dont require visible mods to the guitar. Easy to put on, easy to adjust. Has zero effect on the playability and tone of the guitar, except when pulling up (and then, the difference is only the added resistance in the pull). I've purposely left mine un-adjusted (basically it is having zero effect) cuz we're playing Helter Skelter in my band and am ramming my palm into it to get that out of tune sound So you do not hear spring of block moving maybe when you use it,creating somewhat similar effect like springs on tremolo? Ok,I personally would use it when recording rhythm guitar for little bit more stability,and when changing strings.I hate when tremolo sink all the way down. \m/ |
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Post by JFrankParnell on Mar 23, 2015 15:10:04 GMT -5
Well, when you dive it, there is no difference, it is not interfering or touching anything. When you pull up, there is definitely more resistance, like it's maybe twice as hard to pull up as to dive. It's ok, though, unless youre Jeff Beck. Overall, if you have issues with pushing the trem sharp with your palm, you should get it. They are cheap and dont require visible mods to the guitar. Easy to put on, easy to adjust. Has zero effect on the playability and tone of the guitar, except when pulling up (and then, the difference is only the added resistance in the pull). So you do not hear spring of block moving maybe when you use it,creating somewhat similar effect like springs on tremolo? Ok,I personally would use it when recording rhythm guitar for little bit more stability,and when changing strings.I hate when tremolo sink all the way down. \m/ No. There is *absolutely zero effect* with this ESB stablizer, except the resistance of pulling up on the whammy or resistance to your palm, pushing the tremolo sharp. It is not connected to the trem block, except to be barely touching it. This *is* different from some of the other tremolo stabilizers. |
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Post by studiostriver on Mar 24, 2015 6:39:47 GMT -5
So you do not hear spring of block moving maybe when you use it,creating somewhat similar effect like springs on tremolo? Ok,I personally would use it when recording rhythm guitar for little bit more stability,and when changing strings.I hate when tremolo sink all the way down. \m/ No. There is *absolutely zero effect* with this ESB stablizer, except the resistance of pulling up on the whammy or resistance to your palm, pushing the tremolo sharp. It is not connected to the trem block, except to be barely touching it. This *is* different from some of the other tremolo stabilizers. So this ESP style stabilizer I posted would do a good job?Thanks bro for your help.I will order it in a few days.By the way Beatles are one of my favorite bands of all times.I consider Helter Skelter the first song with hard rock/punk even grunge or metal attitude.It is somehow by some sorcery related to all that genres at once. |
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Post by distard on May 8, 2015 2:05:03 GMT -5
LOL.....just.....NO.
But whatever its your money you wanna ruin a perfect guitar go for it.
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