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Post by kaustinwright on Jul 31, 2015 1:16:49 GMT -5
I have been scouring the internet for a wiring schematic for my HM strat I recently acquired. All of the diagrams I have found that incorporate 10 tones use the extra tone pot as a blend knob or use a superswitch (which I just bought, but am using for another project) and I want to stick with the standard 5 way that was already installed. As I have a HM strat, all I have to work with is no load Master tone (with push-pull), Master Volume and a 5 way switch.
My goal is to have a 10 tone HM strat using a push-pull on my tone pot, (hopefully) without repeating configurations.
My ideal setup is:
push-pull up (standard strat) pos. 1) Bridge Humbucker Split pos. 2) Bridge Hum split + Middle pos. 3) Middle pos. 4) Middle + Neck pos. 5) Neck
push-pull down pos. 1) Humbucker pos. 2) Hum +middle pos. 3) Hum+middle+neck (all pups) pos. 4) Split Hum + Neck (tele sound) pos. 5) Hum + Neck.
I understand all of these won't be available with what I have, But id like to incorporate as many useful sounds as possible with my components. Im trying to stay away from the standard coil splitting layout that Seymour duncan provides. also, I dont use out of phase tones too much (sorry Brian May), so standard combinations are what I'm looking for.
anybody out there have any ideas on how I can accomplish this or something similar with the parts available? Basically, Im looking for as much tonal diversity as I can possibly get with: -Master Volume/Tone (no load) -Push pull on tone pot -Standard 5 way switch -Splittable Humbucker in bridge -2 single coils in middle and neck
any advice or help would be appreciated Thanks!
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Post by JohnH on Jul 31, 2015 2:59:05 GMT -5
I doubt you can do all that with those parts. You can maybe get 9/10.
Wire the 5-way as a standard Strat B, B+M, M, M+N, N. Use the push pull so that down, the humbucker is always split when it is on. Up, the humbucker is not split and, it is forced on in all positions.
Variations could include instead, the split and bridge-on both happening in the up position
Its an easy wire up. The dexign could be adapted (by yourself) from diagrams already on the Seymour Duncan site.
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Post by kaustinwright on Jul 31, 2015 3:41:48 GMT -5
I have found a diagram that gives me all of the tones I wanted (except one) marcsguitars.wordpress.com/diagrams/h-s-s-9-sound-mod/but im having trouble with this import switch, because in the diagram there is 8 lugs (2 commons) and I only have 7 on the stock 5 way Could you please tell me what this switch is. I can't find any diagrams, and the contacts are strange. Not sure how to wire it up. I believe the common is lug 1, but I'm not sure Attachments:
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Post by newey on Jul 31, 2015 5:49:53 GMT -5
OK, we're going to have to add this one to our gallery of oddball import 5-way Strat switches. Never seen one like that before. The numbering on the lugs might provide a clue, but I can't read all the numbers from the photo.
Most of the import-style Strat switches have 8 lugs in a straight line, with the two center lugs as the commons. Sometimes, the 2 center lugs are factory-wired together externally.
I've seen 7-lug switches before. On those, the two commons are connected together internally, and there is just the one common lug to wire up. This is probably what's going on with yours as well. But given the odd layout of the lugs, you shouldn't guess about the internals. Test it and see.
Test all lugs in each switch position to see "what connects to what". It should soon be clear which one is the common lug. But for completeness sake, test it all and maybe make up a chart of the results.
There is a post in the Reference section dealing with "off-shore lever switches". Once you have figured out the switch logic, it would be helpful if you posted the info there, with the photo of the switch, so that the next guy who comes along can save the trouble of figuring it out.
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Post by kaustinwright on Jul 31, 2015 11:59:32 GMT -5
I spent a ton of time last night going through the continuity of the switch in different positions. Ill try to type up a diagram of what I found, but it is still a bit confusing to me. I used Lug 1 as the common in the below diagram, but I might be wrong. Bold=Lug Number (on switch)(colored regular text)=positions continuous to Lug 1 when cycling through switch ( bridge=1 neck=5 etc.) (2&4&3) (com) (2&4&3) 5 1 4 (5&4) (1&2) (5&4) (1&2) 7 3 2 6 It seems in each position, there are 2 lugs that share continuity (with the common), and if one isn't the common, I can try to see what works using 7 or 5 etc. as a common, but none of those combinations make sense without using 1. From the manufacturer's perspective, it looks like 1 would be the obvious tied common connection. from the diagram I plan to just wire the negative side of the Humbucker (south finish) straight to back of a pot for ground, because it grounds the other (unavailable) common. Can someone let me know if this would work or not?
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Post by JohnH on Jul 31, 2015 15:08:04 GMT -5
I spent a ton of time last night going through the continuity of the switch in different positions. Ill try to type up a diagram of what I found, but it is still a bit confusing to me. I used Lug 1 as the common in the below diagram, but I might be wrong. Bold=Lug Number (on switch)(colored regular text)=positions continuous to Lug 1 when cycling through switch (bridge=1 neck=5 etc.) (4&3) (com?) (4&3) 5 1 4 (5&4) (1&2) (5&4) (1&2) 7 3 2 6 It seems in each position, there are 2 lugs that share continuity (with the common), and if one isn't the common, I can try to see what works using 7 or 5 etc. as a common, but none of those combinations make sense without using 1. From the manufacturer's perspective, it looks like 1 would be the obvious tied common connection. from the diagram I plan to just wire the negative side of the Humbucker (south finish) straight to back of a pot for ground, because it grounds the other (unavailable) common. Can someone let me know if this would work or not? Your readings make sense, but as a Strat switch, they would make more sense if both lugs 4 and 5 were connected to 1 in position 2 as well as 3 and 4. Then they would be set up to provide the usual connections for a Middle pup in those positions. Maybe check those lugs again.
One problem is that the diagram is based on having two separate common poles whereas your switch uses only one. THis doesn't make a diference to normal strat wiring but in this case it affects the way the different coils are selected, Should be possible to do something close though.
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Post by kaustinwright on Jul 31, 2015 17:03:06 GMT -5
You're right, in position 2 common shares to 4, 6, 5 and 3.
I have updated the diagram..
it would be nice to use this switch, but Im not sure its possible without 2 commons. Would I have to use an 8 terminal switch for this particular scheme?
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Post by newey on Aug 2, 2015 7:09:04 GMT -5
Have we in fact zeroed in on a particular scheme? JohnH was suggesting a push/pull for splitting the HB and for a "bridge on" setting, with the 5-way switch having the std Strat switching. You can certainly do that with this switch, it's set up to do the std Strat wiring.
You can also use this switch to do the Std. HSS wiring (a la Fender), where the HB is split at position 2 but full at position 5. Other than that, the single commons limits you.
The regular Strat switching will use only one-half of this switch. Pick a side; either 3, 5, 7 or 2, 4, 6. Lug 1, the commons, goes to your output. If you use the 3, 5, 7 side, bridge hot goes to 3, neck hot goes to 7, and the mid goes to 5.
To auto-split the HB at position 2, use lug 4, and connect the "series junction" of the HB to that lug. We would need to test to see if that selects the appropriate coil for hum-cancelling with the middle, however.
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Post by kaustinwright on Aug 14, 2015 11:21:45 GMT -5
Sorry about the wait, I've been busy ordering parts and soldering! I ordered a Fender standard 5 way selector switch with the standard 2 common lug design, so I am now able to complete the layout that I posted earlier, the HSS 9 sound push-pull mod. The scheme for the import 80's Squier 5 way (with one common) was updated to be correct Bold=Lug Number (on switch)(colored regular text)=positions continuous to Lug 1 when cycling through switch ( bridge=1 neck=5 etc.) (2&4&3) (com) (2&4&3) 5 1 4 (5&4) (1&2) (5&4) (1&2) 7 3 2 6 I'll gladly post a diagram of what I've found out, not sure exactly where to post it on the site though.
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Post by newey on Aug 14, 2015 21:18:09 GMT -5
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Post by kaustinwright on Aug 15, 2015 1:58:44 GMT -5
Will do, thanks!
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