Out of phase in series - help needed!

[sitarjeet]

Hello all, long time lurker here and now my first post:

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I really like this diagram but want the 3PDT switch to make it out of phase AND in series. (Not just in series)

Can someone please help me how to modify it?

Thanks

[newey]

sitarjeet-

Hello and Welcome to G-Nutz2!

What you want can certainly be done. However, if it were me, I'd add a push/pull pot in place of one of the pots to use as a phase switch. That way you have both the series in-phase and OOP options, and you'd have the option of parallel OOP with the 5-way switch as well.

But if you want to change the 3PDT switch to "hard-wire" the OOP option in series, that can be done, as follows. Basically, you're just going to be swapping the hot and ground of the bridge pickup at the switch. To do so, you will be swapping two wires- the gray wire from the neck + which is currently connected to the upper left lug of the 3PDT switch and then is also connected to the center lug, and second, the red wire which currently goes to the upper right lug of the switch, and goes from there to the five-way.:

1) Disconnect the grey wire (neck +) from the upper left and center lugs of the switch.

2) Disconnect the red wire from the upper right lug of the switch. Wire the red wire to the upper left lug of the switch.

3) Wire the grey wire (neck +) to the upper right lug of the switch, and then to the center lug of the switch. Done.

Best bet, though, is to redraw the diagram with my changes so we can double-check that you've got it right before wiring.

[reTrEaD]

Nov 26, 2016 19:22:48 GMT -5 sitarjeet said:

I really like this diagram but want the 3PDT switch to make it out of phase AND in series.

You didn't specify what you want out of phase with what else. So I threw this together. I thought it rather interesting because it only takes 2 poles instead of three. Maybe it suits you.

[sitarjeet]

Thanks so much for the replies, Newey and ReTrEaD!

Now I have all the info I need, so next weekend I will wire it up hopefully.

btw- I am going for neck Dimarzio Area 61 and bridge Dimarzio Air Zone humbucker in series OOP, so I just took the nickel cover off of the Air Zone using wire cutters to cut the little solder globs on the bottom. It was a cinch and there was minimal wax on the top of the bobbins. Looks like Dimarzio did a fine job manufacturing it. Happy to find zebra bobbin colors underneath too.

[reTrEaD]

Dimarzio Area 61 and bridge Dimarzio Air Zone

So your pickup complement is actually HS, not SSS? I suppose that should work out fine if you're careful about magnetic polarity. Else you won't get the maximum benefit from potential hum-canceling.

[sitarjeet]

Nov 28, 2016 8:45:37 GMT -5 reTrEaD said:

Dimarzio Area 61 and bridge Dimarzio Air Zone

So your pickup complement is actually HS, not SSS? I suppose that should work out fine if you're careful about magnetic polarity. Else you won't get the maximum benefit from potential hum-canceling.

Actually, it is an HSS G&L tribute legacy. The middle pickup is a Dimarzio ISVC single coil. To deal with the humbucking combinations/permutations, I am putting a switch in the circuit right from the bridge humbucker to do coil select & coil split. I did the same thing on a another HSS strat and really liked it.

[newey]

I am putting a switch in the circuit right from the bridge humbucker to do coil select & coil split.

This is more new information, which may affect things when the two pickups are placed in series. So, in order to be sure that what RT and I have suggested will in fact work with your exact set-up, please provide a diagram of how this is to be wired up.

[sitarjeet]

Nov 28, 2016 12:58:53 GMT -5 newey said:

I am putting a switch in the circuit right from the bridge humbucker to do coil select & coil split.

This is more new information, which may affect things when the two pickups are placed in series. So, in order to be sure that what RT and I have suggested will in fact work with your exact set-up, please provide a diagram of how this is to be wired up.

Ok, will do! Much appreciated....I hope you don't mind hand drawn diagram with colored markers though.

[newey]

hope you don't mind hand drawn diagram with colored markers though.

As long as it's legible. we're not too picky.

[sitarjeet]

Ok, here is what I dreamed up and put to paper in a hybrid software-hand drawn wiring diagram. Please note my intentions are:

1) The bridge & neck pickups are both in series & out of phase (and also humbucking) when the 3PDT on-on switch is engaged
2) The DPDT on-off-on switch coil selects for humbucking & in phase status between the bridge and neck pickups whenever the switch is in one of the "on" throws
3) the neck pickup (Dimarzio Area 61) will autosplit to the top coil only, when the 5-way switch is in the position that selects for neck+middle (ie. position 4)


I am not sure I have this figured out correctly - especially the electrical phase and magnetic orientations for humbucking. 

Input is greatly appreciated!

[newey]

This is a bit tough to follow, I'm still trying to trace it though. Give us some time on this one. Your scheme has morphed into something a lot more complex than what you laid out in your first post.

[sitarjeet]

Dec 4, 2016 19:11:22 GMT -5 newey said:

This is a bit tough to follow, I'm still trying to trace it though. Give us some time on this one. Your scheme has morphed into something a lot more complex than what you laid out in your first post.

Ok, sorry about the extra complexities! I got some new ideas and ran with it... hope it isn't too much bother for you to trace through.

[reTrEaD]

Dec 4, 2016 15:40:46 GMT -5 sitarjeet said:

I am not sure I have this figured out correctly

ProBoards is being a PLB right now and not allowing access to attachments. I'll take look when the Angry Bear goes into hibernation.

Edit:
I was finally able to open the attachment. It's so butt-ugly that it makes my brain hurt trying to navigate the wiring. I'll have to bow out. Maybe Newey can help but I can't.

[sitarjeet]

Dec 5, 2016 15:59:58 GMT -5 reTrEaD said:

Dec 4, 2016 15:40:46 GMT -5 sitarjeet said:

I am not sure I have this figured out correctly

ProBoards is being a PLB right now and not allowing access to attachments. I'll take look when the Angry Bear goes into hibernation.

Edit:
I was finally able to open the attachment. It's so butt-ugly that it makes my brain hurt trying to navigate the wiring. I'll have to bow out. Maybe Newey can help but I can't.

lol

Ok, I appreciate your honesty!

[newey]

It's so butt-ugly that it makes my brain hurt trying to navigate the wiring. I'll have to bow out. Maybe Newey can help but I can't.

This is the same issue I'm having- too much spaghetti! These sorts of designs are much easier to follow when rendered as a schematic, then translated to a wiring diagram.

Having said that, I haven't given up on sorting through this, but I've got a week from hell so it may be some time.

[newey]

For starters, please label the lugs on the 5-way switch, as it is not clear to me that you have that right.

[sitarjeet]

Dec 6, 2016 6:30:02 GMT -5 newey said:

For starters, please label the lugs on the 5-way switch, as it is not clear to me that you have that right.

Will do!