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Post by dunkelfalke on Feb 27, 2006 13:53:34 GMT -5
and very loudly
my setup is a tone monster and three active emg sa like pickups
any tips for making the loud pop while switching go away? thanks in advane
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Post by JohnH on Feb 27, 2006 14:49:35 GMT -5
Is this the original Tone Monster from GN1? How are the active circuits arranges in relation to the switching?
With that kind of series/parallel wiring, any active circuits would need to go after the switching, so that the switching is just on the passive coils, with the output then going into the active circuit. I dont know if that is possible with EMGs
John
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Post by dunkelfalke on Feb 27, 2006 17:07:48 GMT -5
no active circuit, just the straight tonemonster from gn1 which still works for a year already after i have replaced passive pus with emg clones and with no additional changes
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Post by CheshireCat on Feb 27, 2006 19:05:26 GMT -5
no active circuit, just the straight tonemonster from gn1 which still works for a year already after i have replaced passive pus with emg clones and with no additional changes The active circuits that John is referring to are the ones within the pickup itself, ergo you have three preamps mixed into the switching.
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Post by ChrisK on Feb 27, 2006 20:10:49 GMT -5
Absolutely,
If your using EMG active PU's (the one's w/ the battery), you're going to have issues especially if you're using just one battery and series modes.
The only way that this might work is if you use a separate battery for each PU (and then there will be issues if you have any post-processing active modules like the SPC that might share any of the batteries).
One of the neat things about passive PU's is that their electrical characteristics interact. Two in series are darker due to the combined inductance (A+B) and two in parallel are brighter, again due to the combined inductance (A*B/(A+B)).
Since EMG active PU's have an internal OPAMP w/ a 10K output resistance (they call it impedance), the tonal benefits of series vs parallel are somewhat lost (no LC interactions), and only relative loudness will prevail. EMG active's are already plenty hot. The 10K (OK, some) output resistance is required to allow the PU's to be parallel mixed.
I have a DG20 set (3 SA's) and in the "notch" positions, while you can hear the disparate string position detection from 2 PU's, there ain't no "quack" 'cuz there ain't no LC interaction. I hated them and they came out immediately.
(If your interested, I do have a circuit idea on how to effect a tone response similar to "quack" in the "notch" positions.)
But, I tend to believe that series is quite moot w/ EMG actives (and possibly quite "pop"ular).
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Post by dunkelfalke on Feb 28, 2006 1:33:27 GMT -5
heh heh, the dg-20 set is what i am trying to reach, but for less money ;D
still got some cool sounds from the setup, especially bridge and mid in series or parallel is quite twangy.
so there is no way to make the pop go away except taking four batteries.
okay thanks for clarifying it
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Post by ChrisK on Feb 28, 2006 15:33:50 GMT -5
So, are the series modes (additive) actually tonally different than the parallel (averaging)?
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Post by dunkelfalke on Feb 28, 2006 16:50:52 GMT -5
i have recorded some sounds, directly from guitar to the soundcard with no effects whatsoever, volume on full, tone on full. only pops while switching were edited away speznas.de/temp/tonemonster.mp3neck, mid, neck+mid series, neck+mid parallel, neck+bridge series, neck+bridge parallel the biggest differences are in the neck+mid position but neck+bridge also sounds different, even if the difference is subtle.
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